Americans as a people, and their leaders through policies and laws and Court decisions may have eliminated the most important factor in all decisions. by Mark Vogl
(conservative)
Thursday, December 9, 2010
Suppose you were a scientist and you were trying to determine why a natural phenomenon occurred. For example; what factors affect or determine how a river flows?
Now suppose before you started your work all the people who controlled how science was conducted ruled that there was no such thing as gravity. After all you can't see gravity. And look at the universe. All the planets and systems are moving away from each other...the universe is expanding. But, if there were gravity, the universe should be collapsing. And then there are balloons. Fill one up with a lighter than air gas, release it, and it goes up! How bout clouds...how come they don't settle as fog? No certainly there is no gravity.
Now you are a scientist...and you are doing your work. But your perspective is limited by the rule, there is no gravity. So, things don't flow down-hill as a rule. So than what makes the river flow?
America has done something very similar. America, through the Courts, through our laws, through the classroom has declared God does not exist. You can't talk about God in the classroom. You can't see His purpose in events, or His hand behind actions. You can't talk about God's role in the creation of this nation or His role in determining right and wrong.
Censorship has been instituted when it comes to God. Right and wrong does not come from the Bible, or from the Ten Commandments. Right and wrong is kinda fluid, depends on the social engineers, the powers that be, and the individual. Right now the Courts are deciding on homosexual marriage. Are they consulting the Bible and God? (I hear a loud chorus shouting NO!) To be a judge, you have to deny your faith when you consider a question...a ridiculous standard.
The First Amendment is supposed to protect the practice of religion, but instead it is used to prevent the practice of religion in national policies.
Some argue that we are a nation of unlimited diversity...that if we included religion in the process of setting national norms, and thus creating the foundation for laws and policies, we would have to include all religions.
I say, BS. This is a Judeo-Christian nation. That's what settled the nation, that's what created the nation and the Constitution. The other major religions were absent, and when you look at nations where the other major religions dominated, freedom, democracy, a republican form of government are all absent. And more, they have no national history which demonstrates a higher degree of doing good for the world.
Is America imperfect? Absolutely...we are human, and humanity is imperfect. The question does not make our reliance on God less necessary, but demonstrates why we do need Him in our governance. Do certain behaviors suffer...absolutely. But those behaviors have little or no positive social value.
More important than all the minor debates is this question? How is the perspective of our people, our nation and our government affected by refusing God? If there is a Supreme Being, if He did send His Son to earth to prove His existence and offer a means (Grace) to enter heaven, than are we not fools, worse than fools, to ignore Him?
All the libertarians and liberals and non-believers can argue about whether God was believed in by our Founding Fathers. They can continue to forward faulty arguments, not based in fact. But not all the books, records, documents, and histories have been destroyed. It takes relatively little real research to find God was present from Columbus's first step into the new world, to the Pilgrims and colonization, to the writing of the taxes for the building of schools, to the writing of our founding documents, to governing of our early nation.
America has lost perspective, it denies the most important part of every discussion, every subject, every decision. It is no surprise than that we are upside down, given our denial of the central social gravity of our nation ... a belief in Christian God.
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Posted By: Jahfre Fire Eater
Date: December 12, 2010 03:25:57 PM
Hi Mark,
I found your article ridiculous. Logic and faith are incompatible frames of reference. You cannot prove theories in one frame by methods that are acceptable in the other frame.
I have never heard of any government disallowing experiments aimed at proving the existence of God...but then I'm not omniscient. I'm not sure if you were lying or simply confused about being denied the right to conduct such experiments.
I encourage you and every last one of your fellow believers to engage in such experiments every moment you are walking this earth from now till the rapture. If those experiments result in repeatable, verifiable proof of a God or many Gods existence most skeptics and agnostics would accept your evidence. The problem is that no such evidence exists despite the unfettered opportunity for believers to deliver it.
Proclaiming your beliefs in school does not cause them to become facts. Learning such proclamations does not constitute knowledge. You seem confused about how knowledge is created and why faith and knowledge are mutually exclusive notions. Faith fills in the gaps between known facts without evidence and without a framework for identifying additional facts. Scientific theory helps fill the gaps between known facts by providing a framework for identifying additional, verifiable facts. Also, in science when new information becomes available the theories must be re-tested against it. Faith requires no test and certainly no re-test when new information becomes known.
Your article could have been shortened to these four words, "I believe God exists." Had you written this 4-word article I would have had no comment because it would have been absolutely true and verifiable.
Everything else you wrote is an attempt to justify your faith to those who do not share it using tools that do not apply to proclamations of faith. This is why I found your article ridiculous. What you fail to understand is that faith only works on a single individual, you.
One man's faith cannot influence another man's faith but one man's knowledge always influences everyone's knowledge...no matter if that faith is in God or government or individual sovereignty.
