The "Moderate Muslim" argument doesn't apply to Islamists. by Pearl Pugh
(libertarian)
Friday, August 6, 2010
The Venus Flytrap (or Dionaea muscipula) is beautiful to look at and has a sweet smelling nectar. Makes you want to get a little closer, a little more comfortable, right? But (humor me here), let's say you're the fly. Does your mind change at all? Or are you still gung-ho over crawling in to have a taste?
Given that we have the advantage of looking at the picture from an informed point of view and we know that the outcome would be certain death for the fly, we would have to answer as logically as possible : get out of dodge while you have the chance.
Now apply the same concept to Islamic Conquest in America. We know from history that since the time of Mohammed in 630 A.D., Islamic conquests have resulted in trophy mosque building and/or the conversion of non-Muslim places of worship to mosques. Take a look at Ka'aba, Umayyad mosque, Al-Aqsa mosque, great mosque of Gaza, Babri mosque, the list goes on and on with similar stories of conquest and self-crowning glory. The dome of the rock sits on Jewish holy ground. I found the great mosque of Cordoba interesting myself.
Politicians, however, dodge this issue completely under the guise that Moderate Muslims are somehow victimized when anyone calls "foul" on terrorists. The problem with this is twofold.
The first problem is Feisal Abdul Rauf. It would be passable if the guy himself were a Moderate Muslim, but he's not. On May 27, 2010 Rauf is quoted in an article saying that "The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed."
Similarly, the Cordoba Initiative (the institute planning to build a mosque near Ground Zero and founded by Rauf in 2004) states that one of it's four principal program areas include a "Shariah Project" which "will enumerate the societal - as opposed to religious - obligations that Shariah requires of a nation governed according to Islamic principles."
Second, terrorists do exist. Islamists terrorize. More often than not, pinpointing a terrorist organization or person working within the same parameters results in an argument unrelated to the matter at hand, that being the issue of Moderate Mulims. If pointing out potential terrorist activity only sparks that same tired debate over and over again, tell me, what does a torrorist look like, act like, believe in? Who can we call out on their actions? What exactly are we looking for? By stressing "religious freedom" to the extent that it interferes with basic American way of life, we essentially give permission to those who hate us to tear us down.
When is enough going to be enough? When are we going to stop being the flies and start doing the gardening and weed out the anti-American values that just don't belong? I encourage all free thinking people to start doing some research of their own. Fact-check everything you read. Learn what Islamic terms mean, like Jihad, Grand Jihad, Taqiyya and Sharia. Also, learn who the known terrorist groups are, such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, and Muslim Brotherhood. Don't get caught in the flytrap of "peace" speeches. It is known that many imams preach peace in English and terrorism in Arabic.
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Posted By: Frank Brooks
Date: August 8, 2010 12:48:11 AM
I totally agree with you, and believe we must stand as Americans against outside moves of control. We can never condone a set of laws by foreign influence whether it be religious or not. What is really unsettling is our freedom of religion allows them to use our rights as a tool of conquer. We did not establish that rule to be overtaken, and pushed into obeying a new set of laws. That is ridiculous, and many Islamists obide the concept that Islam will dominate the world. We have to draw a line, and say wait a minute this is too much. We allow the right for anyone to practice their religion freely not to force people to be under religious command. Building a mosque of that expense that close to ground zero is disrespectful. I saw a lawyer on the news that said it is equally insulting as Kamikaze pilots having a memorial near pearl harbor. It might seem like Americans are disregarding Islam but that is not the case. Would the French allow a statue of Hitler to be built near the Arch De Triumph. Absolutely not. We have to draw a line somewhere and be like hey build that mosque somewhere else because it really makes no sense to be that close to a place that was destroyed by radical Islam.
It was the notion of Islam that caused that massacre, and it is politically incorrect.
We bombed Baghdad but you can bet your bottom dollar no Christian churches are being built in Iraq. They would not allow that so what is the difference if we said no the same way. But that makes us racists, and blasphemers. Well if we let them do what they want then we will see them cap off the White House, and turn that into a mosque as well.
Posted By: Darren Wolfe
Date: August 8, 2010 07:16:08 PM
There's no way this backwards bunch of boneheads on the other end of the world is going to takeover the US or Europe. They can't defend themselves against tiny Israel, they can't get the US out of Iraq or Afghanistan, they can't get rid of our puppet regimes in places like Egypt & Saudi Arabia. They are weak. Remember that it was the west that conquered them in the 19th century.
The whole Islamic scare is there to keep the population under control. Bin Laden is Emanuel Goldstein & Al Qaeda is Eurasia, or is it Eastasia? I forget. Break free of the mental chains!
Anyway, there are plenty of bloodthirsty Christians. Matter of fact, they are among the biggest supporters of the war Oh, Come, All Ye Hateful
Posted By: Darren Wolfe
Date: August 10, 2010 09:23:34 AM
DA - No, Unfortunately many think they're advancing liberty by suppressing Islam.
Geller is just another scared hatemonger. If she's so concerned about Hitler's allies what does she want to do with the Fins, Romanians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, & Italians? Even the Russians were his allies until he invaded them. I guess we'll just sweep that under the rug since they're Christians, right? She makes no sense what so ever.
Posted By: pdingess
Date: August 10, 2010 10:50:28 AM
This is exactly the issue I am bringing up in the first place - the tendency to argue a point other than what is being discussed. When I say "Islamists" you jump on the defense and dance around the fact that Islamist Terrorism is real and thriving by distracting yourself with Hitler and his allies... how is that even relavent to the fact that you still refuse to touch on the very existance of Islamist terrorist groups? What is your answer to imams giving one message in English and the opposite in Arabic?
I gave valid link references in my article. Terror attacks in the name of Islam are not a figment of my imagination. I didn't dream various videos of proud Islamists shouting "death to America." What is your response to who we should pinpoint instead of defending all the masses that should not be held accountable?
I would also like to point out that I am an American Libertarian and would like to keep my American Liberties and have no interest in being ruled in full or in part by Sharia Law. You want to make a point about supressing Islam, fine. My article is about ISLAMIST TERRORISM. Too many people avoid the fact that it exists in the first place by avoiding all content which would give them a basic understanding of Sharia Law and the call to enforce it worldwide. Unless, of course you are practicing taqiyya yourself.
Posted By: Darren Wolfe
Date: August 10, 2010 11:14:12 AM
Of course there are Islamic terrorists. No body said there aren't. We helped create them to fight the Soviets, the Israelis help create Hamas to counter the PLO. Oh no, now they want to fight us. Why? Because the US federal Mafia wants to meddle in their part of the world.
Have you ever wondered why they use terrorism? The answer is that they are weak. They don't have advanced air forces, aircraft carriers, & Marines to run the US out of the Middle East. Stop worrying about these piss ant blowhards on the other end of the world & start standing up to the real oppressor around here, the US govt.
Perhaps you'd like to explain why there are Christians who use the kind of genocidal language I expose in: Oh, Come, All Ye Hateful
Posted By: pdingess
Date: August 10, 2010 09:49:11 PM
History tells us that Mohammed wrote what is found in the Quran in the 7th century. Islamists have been terrorizing nations since before the US was in existence and since before the nation of Israel was even reborn. Your attempt to avoid the subject at hand is a fail. Again I ask, how do you answer the fact that imams preach peace in English but death to infidels in Arabic? How do you answer the call to spread Sharia Law over the entire world? How do you answer to the concept of Taqiyya? Any avoidance of the questions only further my point that it is nearly impossible to pinpoint the problem and deal with it effectively until Americans stop being so politically correct and start calling out our enemies for who they really are.
Posted By: Darren Wolfe
Date: August 11, 2010 06:30:06 AM
I am answering your questions, just not in a context that you understand. So here goes in another way.
"Again I ask, how do you answer the fact that imams preach peace in English but death to infidels in Arabic?" They're a bunch of sleazeballs. We need to get the US govt to stop adding fuel to the fire of their hate with it's imperialism.
"How do you answer the call to spread Sharia Law over the entire world?" Yawn. Wake me up when they have the power to kick the US out of their end of the world. Maybe at that point this talk will mean something.
"How do you answer to the concept of Taqiyya?" Assimilation. Let them live here freely. The allure of the good life will put an end to most Muslim's radical ideas. We see that in the US Muslims assimilate much more than in Europe, avoiding us many of their problems:
Posted By: Logical Premise
Date: August 11, 2010 11:45:16 PM
*sighs* Have you ever read the Quoran? In Arabic, not the hilariously inaccurate garbage you see on the net all the time?
Here's the simple version. There is the Quoran, which has all kinds of things in it. A few things can be taken out of context to imply violence, just like a few things in the Old Testament can be taken out of the context they were in to promote violence.
Then there is the hadith. The Hadith is basically shit , it's like what we call the Apocrypha for Christianity. Most of the hadith is COMPLETELY freaking nuts. That's where you find all the stuff about put everyone to the sword, etc.
Now, here is the problem, that Muslim apologists don't touch on.
Fundamentalist Islam embraces the hadith. They point to hadith as the correct interpretation of the Quoran to the point it appears IN the Quoran nowadays. So, they are nut jobs and not representative of "normal" Muslims ....
....except that mainstream Islam ALSO embraces the hadith.
*cough*
Islam wants us to believe it is a religion of peace. Let us say I take the Prophet at face value and accept he is a servant of the Lord, and that God is showing different people different approaches to bring them to Him. The Hadith is not from God, and it's not from the Prophet. It's akin to taking the writings of Crusader-era Popes and using them as part of the Bible and putting them on an equal footing with what Jesus said.
Everytime someone bashes Islam, Muslim apologists scream "THE ISLAM IS FOR PEACE" and pull out the old-school versions of the Quoran minus the Hadith. But that is sophist garbage. The question to really ask in this discussion is this:
Fundamentalist Islam is basically following the extreme version of what mainstream Islam accepts. If Islam is a religion of peace, Imams and Ulemma must IMMEDIATELY and TOTALLY invalidate the Hadith, remove it from the muzzein chants, remove it from the schools, remove it and everything it calls for from society.
They won't, they CAN'T. The hadith keeps women in burkas, allows their stupid governments to rule in the name of God, props up the House of Saud, and all of that. They can't go against it. They can't speak out against it because they spent the past 600 years saying "this is the truth!"
Darren Wolfe dismisses the questions because, sorry to insult, he is thinking quite literally like a Westerner without an understanding of Islamic culture in the slightest.
"Again I ask, how do you answer the fact that imams preach peace in English but death to infidels in Arabic?" They're a bunch of sleazeballs. We need to get the US govt to stop adding fuel to the fire of their hate with it's imperialism.
You understand that what they're preaching basically has nothing to do with AMERICAN Imperialism, right? They're pissed because they beat the crap out of the people in the region, they got conquered by the British, and then after WW2 (when many of them fought against Hitler) they were rewarded not with independance but having part of their country given to Jews -- even though they did nothing wrong. THAT , which was done by Britain , had nothing to do with the US. The fact of the matter is that they consider our CULTURE imperialism, our BUSINESSES imperialism, they consider us having the unmitigated gall to be more powerful than them to be an insult. How we gonna fix that?
"How do you answer the call to spread Sharia Law over the entire world?" Yawn. Wake me up when they have the power to kick the US out of their end of the world. Maybe at that point this talk will mean something.
Ah yes, the response of the truly callus. It's irrelevant whether or not they can do it by force directly. Islam is now the fastest growing religion in India, China, Singapore, and all the border regions of Russia. The only reason they are weak is they are divided. One of the main calls of fundamentalist thought is a call for a Caliphate -- a unifying government of all Islamic nations.
I guarantee you if they pull that off, with a population of a billion , the Indian armed forces, bits of nuclear armament from Russia, and China using them as a feint to rein in America, they have the power to hurt us pretty badly. I really don't want it going there.
"How do you answer to the concept of Taqiyya?" Assimilation. Let them live here freely. The allure of the good life will put an end to most Muslim's radical ideas. We see that in the US Muslims assimilate much more than in Europe, avoiding us many of their problems:
You have to be kidding -- the Muslim population in Europe is over SIX TIMES what it is in America and growing three times as fast. You really think a RAPID influx of Muslims to America would follow that pattern in a society where we give them a big hassle whenever they even try to build a mosque?
Posted By: Darren Wolfe
Date: August 12, 2010 08:42:10 AM
LP - You defeat your own arguments. By your own admission:
"they got conquered by the British" not they conquered the British. Don't forget the French, Italians, & Russians who conquered Muslim lands too. They have reason to be concerned about western aggression. It actually did happen & well after the Muslims were powerful enough to take over anyone else.
"they were rewarded not with independance [sic] but having part of their country given to Jews" Like I said they can't even deal with tiny Israel.
"they consider us having the unmitigated gall to be more powerful than them to be an insult" So why are the more powerful supposed to be afraid of the weak again?
"The only reason they are weak is they are divided." You actually present an argument that I should have. Thanks for arguing my side for me. There's no indication that they're going to unify anytime soon.
"Caliphate -- a unifying government of all Islamic nations. I guarantee you if they pull that off..." A very big if. This Caliphate doesn't exist & shows no sign of coming into being anytime soon, extremist blowhards to the contrary.
About your last paragraph, The population of the European Union is close to 500 million of which 13 million are Muslims, 2.6% of the population. In the US the % of the population that are Muslims is perhaps 1%. These are insignificant numbers.
"You really think a RAPID influx of Muslims to America would follow that pattern in a society where we give them a big hassle whenever they even try to build a mosque?" Again, you make points for me. The problem is the US govt's attempts to suppress Islam. You can't blame them for reacting badly. Let them come here & live in freedom. Let's stop sending troops & intelligence agents to control their end of the world. They'll love the US then.
"The fact of the matter is that they consider our CULTURE imperialism, our BUSINESSES imperialism, they consider us having the unmitigated gall to be more powerful than them to be an insult." They have cited reasons for fighting us & it's not our alleged freedoms or culture. The neocons concocted lies about this. They fight us only because we go over there to fight them. All we have to do is stop fighting them & there will be peace.
Posted By: pdingess
Date: August 12, 2010 08:56:16 PM
Darren Wolfe has a point, LP. Your statements are unclear and a bit confusing. I'm not sure who you agree with here or what your stance is on the matter. Maybe you could clarify?
Hhmmm yeah I think this article sounds like a load of ****! I think this dumb bit*h should take some pills and end it already! She sounds like a stupid whore with genital warts
