I got excited, because I thought I could show her undeniable evidence that Ron Paul is REALLY leading in the REAL polls.
BOOOYYYY WAS I WRONG!!
This AOL Poll, that Jim O'Donnell was pointing to in his article, was said to be:
"TAMPER PROOF"
"ONE VOTE PER PERSON"
"MOST ACCURATE POLL"
so on, so forth, blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda....
NOT TRUE!!
Sadly, it was soooo very untrue.
I did the first thing that came to mind, which is probably the first idea a lot of the computer saavy Paulites would be doing...
I CLEARED MY COOKIES
I then proceeded to REFRESH THE PAGE
You'll never guess what happened...
Okay, maybe you will... but i'm still going to tell you!!
THE POLL ASKED ME TO VOTE AGAIN!!
I was able to vote 3 times...
I could have kept doing this, but i decided right then to let you all know about this situation!
HERE'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT!!!
DON'T TRUST INTERNET POLLS!
DO NOT TRUST THEM!
NO MATTER HOW "TAMPER PROOF" THEY SAY THEY ARE!!
How do you explain to your friend that Ron Paul really has a chance, when MSM is telling them about SPAMBOTS... and you prove MSM right......
At least the HuckaDUD and RP's MONEY BOMB tell the true story...
RON PAUL DOES HAVE A CHANCE!!
I know it, you know it, even Tucker knows it!!
There is only one Poll that really matters... and we all do that poll in November '08 (hopefully without "hanging chad" problems)
In 2004, I only knew 2 people... out of ALL my friends, family, coworkers... that said they were going to vote for Bush... and we all know how that turned out!
We need to show our support, tell our friends/family, and more importantly VOTE!!
This may be the most important election in our lifetime.
ITS TIME TO LET THE GOVERNMENT KNOW WE WILL NOT SIT BACK AND LET THEM CONTROL US!
I am sorry that I did not look into the problem as much as I should have. I was upset because I thought, once again, I was getting innaccurate claims from MSM.
A few people are saying that the pool is still "Tamper Proof" and that they don't count your second vote, even if you delete your cookies.
Even if that is true, and I'm sure these people aren't lying....
that doesn't change "tamper proof" the poll is!!
I can vote on this computer, and with my handy dandy laptop, I can walk down to starbucks, mcdonalds, or any other of the hundreds of unsecure wireless connections in my town (or any town for that matter) and get on their internet and vote, vote on our 3 work computers that are on different ip's... and then go to my moms, and my grandmas and vote there.
I can vote as many times as I want on that poll. All it would take is a little driving around to pick up different wireless connections.
My message is clear, whether the AOL poll is accurate or not. (not, being the probable answer)
All I am saying is, YOU CAN'T TRUST POLLS!
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Posted By: Colin Osterman
Date: 2007-12-29 10:11:50
For some reason my last comment got cut off. You are dead wrong about the AOL poll. It is tamper proof. Just because you can vote over and over again in the graphic doesn
For the good Dr. to win we must have fair elections, so I want to pass along info regarding the "National Clean Elections Lawsuit" (N-CEL) and would encourage everyone to do the same and keep close watch on its progress. The Docket can be seen at http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/NCEL/PACER/Docket/DocketSheet12-08-07.pdf, scroll to the bottom for its current status; or visit the home page at www.ncel.w4sp.com
Here is another piece of evidence that the AOL Straw Poll is likely to be very true. The spread between DEM and REP for total votes cast is consistently hovering between 5 and 6 points.
Here are the rounded numbers at the time I write this:
TOTAL: 360,000 - 100%
GOP: 189,000 - 52.50%
DEM: 171,000 - 47.50%
Surely, the spread would have to be much larger is somebody was succesfully spam botting for Ron Paul.
I believe my comments are being cut off when I use an apostrphe, so I wont use any. Any subsequest vote from the same computer is not counted in the tally. One computer, one vote.
I would also add... Mitt Romney has already shown with the Florida straw poll that he will actually fund vote spamming (some people voted 80 times for Romney at an outdoor event). Seems to me Romney would have 90% of the vote by now if there was really a problem.
Let's see, you don't want waste your vote because you beleive your choice will not win? Hmmmmm? So instead, you vote against your aspirations for self and country because you want bragging rights in the bread line and claim the tinsel fame because you voted for the guy that won?
That's like surrendering so you can declare victory, isn't it? Well good for you! Proud without pride. Love is hate. War is Peace. Think about it - everybody else is just another corporate owned version of Bush with a better vocabulary. Isn't it about time you voted for America, for your neighbor's well being - for your children - for your parents - for our future?
Do you really want this never ending repeat of failures? The Euro cost 80 cents a couple of years ago. It costs a dollar fifty now. Are you so wealthy that for a brief moment of shameless vanity under the glittering disco ball of being associated with your peceived winner that you are willing to risk everything? What if your perceived
I don't trust any polls. I don't trust anyone who tells me that they have special information. I only care about fundraising and doners. Paul has raised front-tier money from a lot of individual doners.
Q3
Clinton - 32,665 doners average $1785/doner
Obama - 41,952 doners average $1265/doner
Giuliani - 25,457 doners average $1520/doner
Romney - 27,197 doners average $1371/doner
Huckabee - 1,517 doners average $988/doner
November 5:
Paul - 38,610 doners average $100/doner
December 16:
Paul - 57,668 doners average $100/doner
Paul had more doners in one day, than the other candidates could muster in one quarter. That is why he is electable. Only a self-selecting sample that requires sacrifice is a proper indication of candidate support, and that is exactly what fundraising is.
I've been following the AOL poll for about a week now, and there's definitely SOMEthing going on. I think the poll IS being spammed, but it is also being maintained by something, because the vote totals have gone all the way up to over 189,000 on two of the days I looked at, and on the following day, it's around 125,000. Does this mean duplicate votes are being detected and removed? I think it's pretty likely.
Like the man said though, ALL polls should be taken with a grain of salt. The only poll that matters is the actual vote, and I pray that all us Paul supporters will turn out in droves, regardless of any obstacles natural or artificial. My other prayer is for those who count the votes to be watched like hawks and videotaped for the whole country to review. I'm glad there will be observers traveling to NH and IA to try and keep things honest this time.
The thing is, ALL candidates supporters can skew these online polls. Why isn't that happening?
Because RP supporters are EVIL!!! Its obvious to anyone who knows anything that most everyone is quite happy with the direction this country is headed. There's just no way so many Americans could be that disgusted with the way our God-chosen leaders in Washington are doing their jobs. It's just not possible! It must be a trick!
Those people who are true red-blooded Americans support the wars, and would never jeopardize the safety of our country by suggesting that we should bring our troops home. They would never want the DEA to allow sick and dying people to smoke pot. They would never be so selfish as to even think about getting rid of the IRS -- money that the government desperately needs in these dangerous times. And they would never think that a campaign contribution from big oil, pharma, or defense is somehow worse than one from a white supremist. And they would certainly NEVER do anything fraudulent, like manipulating a poll.
It's obvious that these RP people are just a small group of malcontents, who couldn't possibly have any relevance in our infallible election system. There are not very many of them, they're just loud.
The thing I don't understand is if Ron Paul people are skewing the vote by voting over and over...then isn't it possible for OTHER candidate supporters to be doing the same??? That goes for all online voting AND text message votes during the debates. In the end...everyone has the same opportunity to beat the system. Right? The only difference I see between Ron Paul supporters and
I agree. I was worried about this when I first heard about clearing the cookies, as well. Then I heard that it does not work, and I loosened up a bit. While I didnt try, it I hope its true.
The thing I am more concerned with, though, is the Paulites who are rampant on the youtube vids that are prompting people to clear the cookies and vote a ton. This is ridiculous and does nothing but give the MSM and opposition a little more credibility when they call us cheaters or nutjobs.
Do EVERYONE a favor. Go to the AOL poll. If you have yet to vote, do it. Then do nothing more. If we want to show our true numbers and our true colors, we should stop trying to cheat.
As for voting on multiple computers, just remember that if someone has already voted on a computer, none of the subsequent votes will count.
So if someone at Starbucks or the library has already voted for Thompson, then your sneaky vote for Ron Paul on the same computers isn't going to get counted.
Right. You can't trust the offline or online polls--they both have different problems.
Even if you could manage a poll that was accurate in regards to people's opinions, that doesn't tell who is going to show up on election day and who is not. Most Ron Paul supporters I know will be there, even if they have to walk through snow. The same can't be said for other candidates.
Hopefully, your friend will change her mind after the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary.
And by the way, I hope you don't really think that the only
Okay let me get this straight.
The poll is being spammed...Why is Ron Paul not winning in all states? Why is Dennis K at 4%? Why is Dr. Paul winning by 20% in California, but is in a statistical tie in Arkansas, North Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina. It would seem much easier to spam the lower voted in states.
I've been following the results of the AOL Straw Poll and they seem reliable. There isn't a huge difference in the number of Republican vs. Democratic voters. The Democratic candidates seem to be pretty much in line with mainstream polls. Kucinich and Gravel, for instance, have very low percentages and they tend to have more support on the internet than IRL. The Republican candidates also seem to be in line with the mainstream polls, except Ron Paul is gathering much more support. If you think about it, the results make sense. The other candidates are only regional favorites. Huckabee is doing good in the southeast, Romney is doing good in New England and the heavily Mormon areas of the southwest, McCain is doing good in parts of the west, Giuliani is doing good in the Mid-Atlantic. Ron Paul has universal support.
I just refreshed after clearing my cookies...didn't work. Of course I did vote on 2 computers......once for my home state, and I claimed once in another state that RP was losing in at the time. Only becuase I put no faith in Online Polls because there is always a way to fudge the numbers. Whether it's "We the People" "Spambots" or the people hosting the poll that want a certain outcome, there are many ways to tamper with an online poll.
I just tried voting, successfully, and I'm a not a US citizen. They are allowing non-us citizens to vote. This could skew the results in favor of Ron Paul as unlike the other candidates he is much loved all over the world.
Posted By: Saint Subversive
Date: 2007-12-30 09:13:37
Unfortunately your friend's attitude is all too common among voters on both sides. "I like him but he cant win so Im not going to waste my vote". Its really one of the worst excuses anyone could come up with to not support a candidate they believe in. Its the same problem on the Dem side with Bill Richardson, the most often used defense for not considering him is "I like Richardson but he cant win", despite the fact that Larry Sabato and others have said he is the strongest candidate they have for the general election. This is just incredibly wrongheaded logic. Vote for who you think will make the best president, stop with this silly idea that you have to blindly get behind a "frontrunner" and show solidarity with the other partisan sheep.
Shake up the system and send a message to both parties that youre mad as hell, and youre not going to take this anymore. Your vote is never "wasted" as long as you truly believe in it. When you blindly toss it to a candidate you despise, that's when youre wasting it, because then youre just another meaningless statistic.
Posted By: No Name Supplied
Date: 2008-01-02 07:49:20
it does seem tamper proof. If you vote multiple times by clearing your cookies the extra votes don't actually show up on the poll. Ofcourse one could use different computers at different places, but this doesn't really Ron Paul a 12% plus advantage over any of the candidates. Sure he has more internet support, but this is the age of the internet, not the telephone. So, why put more emphasis on phone polls? Especially when this year is bring all kinds of new voters out.
Posted By: Dick Collinsworth
Date: 2008-01-26 23:38:53
I don't know if you can vote more than one time in this poll. If you can't then it's accurate, and if you can everyone else can, and assuming on balance, your going to come to the same result, because all of the candidates are going to have extra "votes". So read em and weep folks, the Ron Paul American Revolution has started and it's not going to stop until he moves into the White House and America is restored to a Republic form of government.... God Bless America!!
2 days ago ron paul was dominating the aol straw pole , now he is loseing it terribly , hard to believe that has to be honest ???? after all he did have all states expet for 11 the other night .
