The Politics of Petty on the Arizona Immigration Law
The Obama Administration continuing to support the untruths and misinformation about Arizona's Immigration Law 1070 only fuels unrest and dissent around the country. by Mister MandM
(libertarian)
Tuesday, May 18, 2010
The Obama Administration taking the position they have on the new Arizona immigration statute is adding fuel to the unrest and resultant dissent this issue is having around the country. Why has there been no action from the federal government or administration on the immigration issue other than firing incendiary opinion based upon conjecture and party line?
I heard that Janet Napolitano was asked the same question as Holder about reading the statute and produced the same response- No! The only redeeming thing about their ignorance is they were both honest about it. I remember Obama making jokes and comments on record slamming the law too... I wonder if he has read it and if not would have been as honest about it as his charges. I doubt it on both counts! I'm guessing that like health care and cap n' trade this one is just too insignificant to read.
I was astounded to hear a related immigration question asked to that beautiful young lady during the Miss USA contest the other night. I wonder if her honest response was used against her in the final. The truly amazing thing was the first part of the question was framed with a political slant... she was basilcally asked: "Arizona's immigration statute authorizes law enforcement to check the citizenship of anybody they think may be in the country illegally". As anyone would know that read the law, this sentence alone is not really representative of the statute.
Being framed that way, even to a beautiful blond, takes this law out of context. That has been more than pointed out from many reliable sources except maybe the main street media. This action is consistent with the misinformation being generated by opposition to this law and not surprisingly the position conveyed so far by all that have spoken about it from the current administration.
Ironically, it is the duty of the federal government to step up and enforce laws they are ultimately responsible for. Their unwillingness to do so is bad enough but to have the current administration slander, joke about and support misinformation against those that support this law should be beneath them. Moreover, to continue to fuel national unrest by doing nothing and continue campaigning against the actions being taken by the people of Arizona to solve a problem being compounded by their own federal irresponsibility is abhorrent.
Mister MandM
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I am an Arizona resident and sadly, I cannot support the new immigration law. This law requires police to ask anyone they think may be in the country and/or state illegally to provide proper immigration papers. Unfortunately as the majority of illegal immigrants in Arizona are Hispanic, then the police will be pulling over people with Hispanic features which is considered racial profiling. What most people haven't stop to think about is that this bill has two major flaws.
One is that if a Hispanic-American citizen is pulled over, what papers will they be able to provide? A drivers license does not prove anything and to prove you are not an immigrant but a citizen must they carry a passport or a birth certificate or??? If Hispanic citizens are required to carry papers, this abridges their constitutional rights to be treated equally.
The other flaw is that the problem that creates a mecca for illegal immigrants is that employers knowingly hire them knowing they can pay them less wages and no benefits. This bill does not adequately address this.
Immigration reform is a complex issue and needs to be considered carefully on a federal level and not with ill-thought-out state immigration laws that flaunt the constitution.
Posted By: Billy Roper
Date: May 19, 2010 09:54:10 AM
I agree that employers who knowingly hire and exploit illegal immigrants as a source of cheap labor should be punished for their large role in the immigration problem, but that can be handled in a separate bill more concisely than demanding or expecting that every aspect of the immigration issue be handled under one law, and taking umbrage that it does not. The overwhelming majority of the citizens of your state, as well as the overwhelming majority of legal American citizens, support the Arizona immigration law.
There is such a thing as probable cause. Someone who appears to be under 18 is likely to be asked for ID when they are out late in localities which have youth curfew laws. Travelers from certain departure countries are going to face more scrutiny in airport security checkpoints. It's simple reality that, unfortunately, illegal immigrants from Mexico, who are the biggest group of immigrants in Arizona, kinda resemble one another a bit.
When I travel to Mexico, I expect to be recognized as a foreigner, and treated as such. I just deal with it.
To answer your question about what ID is accepted, though, any valid U.S. driver's license is accepted as proof of citizenship. Most drivers should have one of those on them, anyway.
I don't think checking your driver's license is any more an abridgement of our freedoms than what usually occurs naturally in a traffic stop. A lot of local cops pull over any and all out-of-state tags, because they are more likely to be carrying drugs. Is this profiling? Maybe. Does it work? Yep.
Posted By: Dan Steward
Date: May 20, 2010 01:34:39 PM
More proof that you love the state, Billy despite your incoherent ramblings that falsely claim otherwise.
Don't businesses have enough of Big Bother literally squeezing them to death already with it's absurd layers of laws? Here's you with your "nationalist plan" to make it even more difficult for them to compete.
As for probable cause, it is very plain in the constitution that it is probable cause AND a warrant, before they can go searching through someone's "person, papers and effects". In your book tyranny should be continued simply because there was an already existing system of custom & tradition that allowed it before.
Slice it any way you like, Billy yet you still love tyranny as long as it "gets those Mexicans". You know, people you don't like and you think should die because they aren't as white as you would like them to be.
Finally, you left out the passengers in a car. In your totally wrong opinion they have to cough up ID because you consider them less deserving of freedoms than whites. It's always been like that for you using a boogie-man to play on the fear of people to manipulate them. A person can be a 10th generation U.S. born Hispanic living in your midst, yet you would again think them beneath you, because they were not white enough.
Be a man and admit at least this much. You are in this to curtail the freedoms and liberties of non-whites. Your words from your other writings on other blogs of yours glaringly point this out. Why hide from them now if you are not being disingenuous about everything you upload to nolanchart.com?
Dump your blind hatred Mr. Roper, it's simply not befitting of any decent man and you know it.
You don't have to be a city building inspector to know that the foundations of our society are rotten when people like this are not kept out, over and over again. What is the solution to people like this? More civil liberties? Or more border control?
Posted By: Dan Steward
Date: May 21, 2010 09:28:15 AM
Deportation? How about criminal charges of rape? Jeez, what a lame dodge for you on that one, Billy.
You ignored everything I mentioned in the reply. You really are scared of people that are "different" from you. What does he have to do with a 10th generation U.S. born immigrant?
No more sneaking away from the question anymore, Mr. Roper. Do you consider non-whites & Jews to be beneath you in social status, or less deserving of freedoms & liberties in any way whatsoever? If so, why?
Posted By: Billy Roper
Date: May 22, 2010 01:40:55 AM
Dan Steward, the self-appointed Joseph McCarthy of NolanChart, eh? LOL "Are you now, or have you ever been...?"
Hey, if I wanted to pose as anything or anyone other than who and what I am, I would have registered under something other than my real name, as some have chosen to do, whether they are city building inspectors or marijuana growers. I registered, and I post, under my real name. If anyone wishes to ask me questions about my views on subjects other than those I've discussed, they can e-mail me. However, I have attempted to respect the terms of service and boundaries of discussion which NolanChart requires, and so I will not allow you to dictate the boundaries or subject of my free speech.
By the way, thanks for the extra publicity, Austin!
Posted By: Dan Steward
Date: May 22, 2010 02:34:48 AM
I don't come forth with any sanctions nor criminal penalties for not answering any questions that I ask to you. With this in mind, your newest deflection from the subject of whether "non-whites deserve fewer liberties & freedoms" in your opinion, of course, remains not just unanswered by you, but instead countered with impertinent gibberish. Joseph McCarthy indeed.
As a person who believes in all freedoms and liberties for everyone regardless of their racial makeup, I have found that you still use the old school nazi tactic of calling others what indeed, you are. If you had your way, all non-whites would be stripped of all their freedoms, not just those of speech.
I don't have to ask you "are you now or have ever been?" anything. I am no politician with an agenda that wants to push people around and that is exactly the point. I know what you represent yet am unafraid of you or your message. Your brand of hate is held by merely a fraction of those who once stupidly held it.
Your vile credo is dying, Roper and much more quickly than you have deluded yourself into thinking it has. It is a message of death and misery so good riddance to it once its gone. Many of your so-called "brethren" who march arm-in-arm with you are instead, known government informers or outright agents.
Who is "Austin"? Are you referring to the state capital of Texas or to myself as you may somehow think that might be my name? It is still not too late. I am a forgiving man and would even be willing to call someone like you a friend should you genuinely renounce your hate and embrace real and true liberty. Taking a stand against evil means that I just don't hold a silly non-productive notion such as a grudge.
Of course that may be too hard for you to achieve, so I understand if you are not up to the task. It takes a lot of inner courage to reject a false paradigm that spans generations and may even alienate you from your friends and family. You have a chance offered to you where you may create instead of destroy, Billy and I hope you take it. I do sincerely wish you luck nonetheless.
Posted By: Billy Roper
Date: May 22, 2010 11:22:01 AM
As a student of History, I find it fascinating how the past is full of wars and events which noone thought would ever happen. If one had told the Russians in 1980 that a decade later their empire would dissolve and the Berlin Wall would come down without a missile being fired, they'd have laughed at you. I found four new blog articles covering my gubernatorial campaign last night. Two are from gay veterans, one from a self-described Zionist group, and the other by another group covering Jewish issues.
No, Dan, I know you're not Austin. He's the guy who doesn't know who the ADL is, and likes to post people's home addresses. He's helping out by writing some blog articles on other websites about me, too.
Your support for open and unlimited immigration, contrary to the interests and will of the overwhelming majority of the American people, would lead to an influx of new "citizens" who would vote for larger and more intrusive government, more social programs, and an expanded welfare state. Then, it would lead to a Balkanization of America, going the way of Yugoslavia. Everybody needs a Kemal Ataturk, now and then.
Posted By: Dan Steward
Date: May 22, 2010 12:53:39 PM
Personally, I don't need a Kemal Ataturk. I just can't get behind a person that outlaws all opposition political parties.
I also wouldn't have as a hero someone who was a serious alcoholic. Alcohol is a drug & I was under the impression that drug addicts don't make your short list of heroic dudes.
Have you ever considered being consistent in your message?
Posted By: Billy Roper
Date: May 23, 2010 11:28:23 AM
Consistent in my message? You mean, like someone who is a petty government bureaucrat whose job it is to make homeowners and business owners conform to rigid government standards in order to be able to pay him to get a license to build on their own property, while claiming to be an anti-government libertarian, like Austin (trd) is? That kind of consistency?
