Last week, I posed the question "Why Isn't Health Care Reform Socialism?" This week I am here to confess that I was somewhat wrong. This Health Care Reform is not mostly socialism. It's mostly Fascism. by EJ Moosa
(libertarian)
Wednesday, March 17, 2010
Last week, I posed the question "Why Isn't Health Care Reform Socialism?" This week I am here to confess that I was wrong. This Health Care Reform is not mostly socialism. It's mostly Fascism.
There are 2309 pages in the Health Care Reform Bill as it stands now. That equates to 2309 pages of directions on how the private business sector of Health Care will operate in the future. And many of those pages of instructions will mushroom into hundreds of pages more at the direction of the Secretary of Health, which is a position, that neither you or I vote for.
That is the general description of Fascism. One where the private sector retains ownership yet the government sets the operating requirements.
The more we have debated the negative aspects of the HCR bill, the more we have raised the concerns about the costs, who controls what, even the very nature of whether or not this is the proper role of government, the progressive liberals have dug in to support it. Why is that?
I have two theories. The first would be that they do not really understand the concepts of socialism or fascism or capitalism. They are merely empathetic to the dilemma of those that cannot afford health care. But I end up dismissing that theory for most politicians who support this bill because there are certainly cheaper solutions that would be much smaller in scope and size, which have been dismissed without consideration.
That leaves the second theory, which I reluctantly must accept. The objective is a socialist system for medicine in the United States. The single payer system which has been sought by many elected officials is ultimately socialism. Run by government, paid for by government. Any medical care outside of government will be forbidden.
And how can you get there if you cannot get there directly? You create the environment for all privately owned businesses operating in health care that will force them to ultimately fail. This can be accomplished under the requirements and cost structures imposed on them in the HCR Bill. There is nothing in these 2309 pages that ultimately leads to a more profitable Health Care Industry.
As more and more private sector health care businesses fail, who will be there to step in? Your Federal Government, who will insist that they need to fill the gap that now has been vacated by those evil capitalist businesses that have been driven to bankruptcy by Your Federal Government. What a great scheme.
Items in the HCR bill are meant to drive the profit out of Health Care in the United States, with the idea that with profits gone, costs will drop. That is a false belief. Expenses will rise even faster.
Innovation will be halted. With innovation halted, what we have today will be as good as it gets. There is no innovation when every change you make to how you operate must be approved by many others, including the Secretary of Health. And that is ok with Your Federal Government, because they want complete control of Health Care anyway.
So I stand corrected. This Health Care Reform is a push to Fascist Health Care, which can then lead us to Socialized Health Care.
And if you are wondering what happens if this same thing happens to the remaining sectors of our economy, what would we end up with?
I believe we call that Communism.
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Posted By: Jahfre Fire Eater
Date: 2010-03-17 17:15:01
Hi EJ,
 Does it matter which "ism" gets pinned on this donkey?Â
Whether Socialism or Fascism or a blend of those plus new aspects not available to despots of old, the result is untimately devastating liabilities that bring about collapse of the system in power.
"Isms" are a unique blend of leadership and environment and motivation. I figure future historians will eventually give today's "ism" its own unique name. For now, I refer to everything that actually happens, no matter what paradigm it may be similar to, as "Obamunism". As he does his thing the word is self-defining.
No. The only problem is that there is a tendency for fascism to be viewed on the far right by some and socialism on the far left. We have to define the terms before we can truly address them.  And by not defining them, the left can avoid answering the issues regarding them.
You are right on target. Whether they know it or not the health insurance market as we presently know it is dead-on-arrival with obamacare...though the process of dying will last for about ten years. The average profit margin of most health insurers is less than 5%...a few new rules here, a few new requirments there and that 5% could easily be wiped out. Most health insurance price increases are driven by the loss ratio's of claims, not additional profits.  One of the hidden costs of Obamacare will be the cost of insolvencies which will either be borne by state insolvency funds or by the Fedefral Government (subject to how legislation turns out in rule making) and will lead to monstrous bills to be paid by someone (it will be like the S&L Crisis, like the FDIC bank bail-outs going on now)....it looks bad now but when the real dollar impact of this plan starts to look bad then health insurer insolvencies will kick in and make it even worse.
Guys/gals, give a half thought to the USA military. Notice that once a person is a "member" of "Team Military", that person is "covered" and no matter the rank (or monetary prowess)... all members get the very same quality healthcare. It takes a huge amount of cash from the civilian world... to "support" the military's socialism... but notice there is no need for money and no monetary discrimination. I'm anti-capitalism, so I want the abolishment of all money and ownership.Â
I was in the USAF for 9 years… 76-85. During that time, I learned about “teams”. I also noticed something on the civilian side… that I call “treehouse teaming”… where a bunch of people get behind some spearheader, and build something for someone else. Its done without wages, without “do it or else” ordering, without bosses, without money (as best it can be done that way), and there is the warmth of the Michelob Moment afterwards around the campfire… celebrating a job well done.
Now, in its most rudimentary form, the USA military members don’t need greenbacks. Generally, the wages in the military are quite low, and the differences of wages between high-rankers (tribal elders) and the newbies… is fairly insignificant. It mainly reflects the amount of family the team member is supporting out in the civilian/capitalist side of things (the non-military kin who need to use greenbacks).
Under pure conditions, the military member needs no money. They can get all non-luxury survival goods from military supply depots or GSA stores… which don’t use money/ownership. You COULD say ownership exists in the military, but if you MUST use that ugly man-made-up term and phenomena, the best you can do is say “its all owned by team”. This is what us Christian Socialists want on the civilian side. We want Team Earth, and NO private ownership. But you can still have custodianship. With custodianships, a few things change. One, you cannot deny access to others… of a thing you are custodianing. You must give it to the other team member when Team World supply people SAY you must. And if you are a team-think person, you gladly give the tool/item to the other member, because that’s how TEAM things work. Military members tend to take care of each other, and share, and gladly give up MUCH owning of things… because they KNOW that Amish-like commune resource distribution (an avoidance of owning)… works great and causes things to be built great and highly re-usable. Plus, items/tools have replacement parts, and part numbers, and training manuals on how to use said resource, and maybe even a few lines in the manual about WHY it is a good idea to avoid hoarding and avoid abuse of the item. This nearly-totally-non-discriminatory distribution system has worked quite well for the military for a long time, and would work on the civilian side as well… as soon as the civilian side understands that competition is NOT healthy and never was.
You (capitalists) would regain some freedom lost to capitalism. You would no longer be FORCED to get a job or else… at age 18. You would be taught how wonderfully world-helping it is… to volunteer in tough assignments WITH (not for) Team Earth. You would be ASKED to work WITH Team Earth/Team World… and not FOR Team Earth. Servitude would be gone. The greatest pride… is team colors. If you wore a work uniform with Team Food colors, for example, you would automatically be held in high esteem… just as a member of the military with many ribbon colors… is held so. It is that member’s “reputation” or “good name” in those ribbons and colors… and these colorful tribal elders would be the target of our television cameras and of the mentor seeking children. They’d want to “be like Mike” in that respect. Team Health, Team Food, Team Animals, Team Plants, Team Housing… all are colors of basic human needs, so if you wear those colors… you have stories to tell and motivational talks to give. You’re a hero.
Speaking of motivation, that is one of the BIGGEST problems with All-For-One, One-For-All communes… and it is one of the biggest worries for capitalists who really want to convert to communalists… but are scared-to. How do you get people to volunteer to work on mankind-helping things… for no money? Easy, eliminate money. But when you can get your food, clothing, healthcare, and some toys… WITHOUT having to work on mankind-helping tasks… how many will just laze-out and do nothing but screw-off/burn-resources all day?
The answer is in “integrity” and “good name”. The NEW non-monetary social mores training… starts with parenting, and includes schools and churches. Yay Team… but not “yay team” because OUR nation can monetarily kick any other nation’s butt. Its “yay team” because every single human on the planet has been properly wellbeing’d and has equal opportunities. No longer are SOME born “set-for-life” and SOME born “set for servitude”. We’re all part of the same team, yet NOT all part of AmWay Pyramid Schemes Inc (capitalism).
Some say… the military tight-rules and common team-think is a type of railroading and thus… somewhat fascist and freedom-to-gouge impeding. Conversely, folks like myself say “join or else” (get a job or starve) and “pay up or lose your wellbeing” is seriously freedom-killing and fascist. Rules will be in place either way, just like they are under capitalism, now. There are MANY ownership rules/laws (capitalist rules) currently in-place, and police guns back them.
The same type of rules/laws would apply in the commune… just like they do in the military. For example, if you damage U.S. Gov material as a military member, you’re gonna get spanked and sent to remedial resource-loving school. A similar type of spanking and railroading happens in capitalism and ownershipism… damaging resources owned by another.
Incentive. Motivation. Avoidance of “freeloading”. Those are the primary issues in getting our Team World commune launched and rolling. Capitalism FORCES people to join their railroading. Our Team World commune would ASK people to join, and we would VERY PLAINLY, TRANSPARENTLY, AND PROUDLY show our policies and reasons WHY our laws/rules are the way they are… just like the USA military and US public library system. Monetary/ownership discrimination… would be gone, finally.
Why does the USA military use a commune/socialism?
Economies must answer-up to a constantly-happening phenomena I like to call “spirography”. In more common adage, it means “What goes around, comes around”. Anything “issued” (billing or gift) gets handed-on and handed-on… until it comes around. The tip of each spiroflower petal (person)… is a loop, not a point. So the more wages we ask for, the more we make our own cost of living go up, which causes a need to ask for raises, which, etc etc. All issued billings/demandings, spiro around and around until it returns to the issuer’s mailbox… as a bill. The same exact thing happens to all giving/sharing/love. Its handed-on, loop, loop, loop, till it returns to its issuer. No matter which way (giving or demanding) you start rotating the gears and the spirograph pen, the pen ALWAYS, eventually, returns to its starting place. Spirography… what goes around, comes around. So, as long as “we” condone and allow price tags, timecarding, and billing, we will continue to have a cost of living to “fend off”. Outlaw price tags, and poverty somehow evaporates… completely. Strange how that works, huh?
The military knows about spirography… and understands how teams need cooperation and not its opposite, competition. And yes, the military goes into competition mode when it needs to take-on some non-team-thinking entity, and right there is where the USA’s “imposing itself on other nations” is a problem, and the yells of “fascism” are heard from the gallery. The military has some very strict fairness rules for interaction between its members. These would be seen on the civilian side commune, too. Do something unfair or in-equal or discriminatory, and you’re going to do some time in jail or fairness school. The capitalists would lose the freedom to gouge each other, wellbeing-wise. “Whatever the market will bear”, would be gone. So would “there’s nothing wrong with making a good profit”. Both would be proven to be hogwash…. and well taught-so to our children.
It’d be a big change. A change to Christian-ish, altruist, Quaker-ish, love-thy-neighbor-or-else socialism. Can we handle it? Do we have the integrity and principles to pull it off? I’ve been in the military, and I highly-enjoyed its Treehouse Teaming and tribal-elder earned-respect ways, so I KNOW I can. Caps, your pyramid scheme is collapsing due to massive inequality and top-heaviness. Everyone tried to get a leg up until few were working bottom layer duty. Your get-a-leg-up monetary-success-seeking… killed most of them via back-crushing. How long will it take before you all realize that economy-caused pyramiding… doesn’t work? We Christians COULD just put you all in federal prison for a few years until you decided to look at the long-term and far-reaching ramifications of your felony pyramiding. Want that? The Earth creators could be about ready to slam you all into the dirt, too. Time to wake up, ya think? Are you forced to join (get a job) a rat-race… seeking false idols called “ownership”? Yep.
Larry “Wingnut” Wendlandt MaStars – Mothers Against Stuff That Ain’t Right (anti-capitalism-ists) Bessemer MI USA
The only folks that believe they would regain freedom lost to capitalsim are looters and moochers.
And the things you promote you are free to do on your own without the force of government. So go forth and see if you can make it work with 100 like minded looters and mouchers and see how long you last.
Yeah, the military and public library are just looting and mooching festivals, aren't they? EJ, if you're going to reply, make it something with substance, ok?
An no, the capitalist ownership phenomena, which not a single other living thing on the entire planet uses, stands in the way of "team" things like I describe. C'mon, use some decent ammo if you are going to try to shoot holes in my/socialist stuff.
Either way, your beloved pyramid is flopping, so you better come up with SOME new way of doing things. I suggest you re-allow the mixing of church and state to accomplish it, or else you'll end up with a pile of uncaring criminals like you have at the top of your pyramid scheme, now.
The military is authorized by the Constitution. Heath care is not.
Libraries are local entitities. Do you think the'd be no books if libraries did not exist? Frankly, there is no difference betwee public libraries and the Napsters of yesteryear.Â
Under no scenario are you entitled to what I produce. That's what makes you a looter and a moucher. You insist on someone elss to foot the bill for you. You should be looking no further than the mirror.
The funny thing about socialists is that despite the failed models they see in history, like the USSR, they think they are the enlightened ones that can make it work the next time. The truth is that if they were enlightened, they would realize that every socialist system is destined to fail because they run out of folks willing to be exploited.
EJ is right; there are no success stories in socialism. The USSR, North Korea, Cuba and China (until recently) went 100% socialist. And so did India to a lesser extent. So where is the shining succes story? Where is there a country that has the same level of freedom or prosperity that we have right here in the USA? I assure you there is none. Those countries had only crushing poverty and oppressive government. You might cite some of the European states that are part socialist and part capitalist, and it's true that some of them have high standards of living. But its the capitalist part that makes them successful.
Here's another example; prior to the fall of the Berlin wall, West Germany prospered under capitalism, but East Germany withered under socialism.
In a capitalist state the profit motive drives people to do things. It drove Bill Gates and Paul Allen to build Microsoft. They were successful and they were richly rewarded for their efforts. And the products they developed benefit millions of Americans. You may be using some of them right now.
Profit also drives people to become doctors, lawyers, engineers and other professionals.  Take away the profit motive and they would have no incentive to spend all those years in school. Eventually the socialist system must replace profit with force as a means of motivating people. At that point socialism becomes communism. Then the motive is like this: We're the government and if you don't do what we say we'll kill you.
In my view socialism is a deadly trap. It promises shared prosperity, and a benevolent government that "takes care of everyone". But in the long run it provides only shared misery, with poverty, tyranny and hopelessness.
I called my doctors office the morning after Health Care reform and I got a recorded message saying that due to the government takeover of health care he was no longer seeing private patients and was being forcibly moved to a huge government medical building downtown. I called My insurance company the person on the phone whispered that private health insurance had been eliminated and from now on I would have to call a government health exchange for insurance…if there was any left. Frantic, I called the Pharmacy at our local supermarket . The clerk who answered the phone said that the pharmacy had being forced to close in an morning raid by the DEA and that all the pharmacists and drugs had been taken to that big government health care building . I called my local Catholic hospital. A nun answered . Weeping hysterically she said that they had been shut down, all the doctor and nurses had been forced onto buses and taken to the big government health care building. They were all being forced to become federal employees, And all the old patients in the hospital.....they had been wheeled out on gurneys and left in the street under the hot sun and shivering cold night to die. My God, Sarah was right!!
Just one day after Health care reform,
Armageddon!! Freedom is coming to an end. Life as we know it is finished. The Communists have taken over!!
You are going to post a vague comment for what point? Instead, why not tell us what you disagree about in my article.
Hopefully, you understand that no one should have to go to a third party website to have laws made by Congress and signed by a President to get an understanding of it.
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