Scheduled for 1600 GMT Saturday 30 January 2010 at the Waterways Ireland Visitor Center in Dublin. Can Steorn really conclusively "prove" anything on a single Saturday? What does Sean McCarthy have up his sleeve this time? by creator
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Monday, January 25, 2010
Steorn has become extremely bold in their claims, offering what they style as "proof" that their "free energy" technology is an "Overunity" technology.
Steorn today announced the promise that this coming Saturday, Sean McCarthy, CEO of the small Irish company, "will demonstrate and prove that Orbo is an overunity technology." As an added flourish, they've published a rather splashy video announcing this demo.
Here is the complete text of their email release:
Orbo Technology Update
The Final Demo: Proving Overunity
Steorn is pleased to announce that the final pre-launch demonstration of its Orbo technology, "Proving Overunity" will take place at 1600 GMT on Saturday January 30th.
Steorn invites you to view the demonstration streamed live at www.steorn.com or attend in person at the Waterways Ireland Visitor Centre, Grand Canal Dock, Dublin 4, Ireland.
Sean McCarthy, CEO of Steorn, will demonstrate and prove that Orbo is an overunity technology.
Who should attend:
Anyone interested in understanding Orbo Technology or taking up an Orbo Technology Developer License.
Ends
Steorn's last public demonstration featured a list of what Mr. McCarthy called "key principles" of Orbo operation.
These principles were enumerated as:
Suffers no Back EMF
Produces an Inductance Energy Gain
Performs work.
Mr. McCarthy attempted to demonstrate each of these principles, as I described in my last article here.
During the question and answer period following Steorn's last demo, McCarthy said that soon, anyone will be welcome to bring their own test equipment and exercise it. "Bring your own meters" he said "come in and measure it yourself, " offering to let anyone make their own measurements on a running Orbo. "Yes, you can put a load in the system, you can fire LEDs, you can do all of that, we encourage you to try it!"
Other Steorn Promises To Watch For
Steorn previously said they plan to demonstrate, with a week-long experiment to be streamed live, that the Orbo magnets do not lose any energy,. They have also promised "a cumulative energy display showing energy in, energy out, and the inherent domain energy of the magnets."
In the final experiment, according to previous statements, they intend to show what we've all been waiting for... direct electrical input to electrical output. Sean earlier explained:
"The reason we've taken this approach to introducing Orbo is that these systems can be quite complicated and have lots of moving parts, we have seen several attempts to replicate on the internet..."
In the last question and answer session, McCarthy promised there would also be calorimetric proof:
"We will [provide calorimetric measurements] with a German company. By the end of month you can expect to see full measurements, and the test results will be put on our site. We will also be doing some supercooling tests to eliminate questions about thermal issues."
Regarding general access to "hands-on examination," he said:
"We will be doing some things, from next week you'll be able to come in here, and the system's up here, you can bring your own meter, you can measure it... measure it yourself... and a lot of this is about having as much transparency as possible... From next Monday you'll not have to believe the good looking French fellow or the ugly fat Irish fellow, OK, you come in and measure it yourself, and we'd really encourage you to do that... you can put a load in the system, you can fire LEDs, you can do all of that, we encourage you to try it..."
Will We See "The Holy Grail" This Saturday?
As I have previously explained, "The Holy Grail" of free energy, or real, conclusive proof that Orbo is overunity, will require a considerable level of effort to meet the criteria I am looking for. Sean McCarthy has previously claimed Orbo will work in a Faraday cage, and we should expect to see the "input v output" elements demonstrated this Saturday. Nevertheless, I'm not sure it's possible to produce unequivocal proof of overunity in a brief, televised demonstration. Some of us will no doubt still need that "hands-on" and "sufficient duration" in-person proof ourselves.
Nevertheless, as a still openly hopeful member of "The Steorn 300," I'm looking forward to Saturday's demonstration! If you're enjoying this trek with me, you might consider offering your thumbs up and some thoughtful comments from whatever viewpoint you may hold.
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I am a little confused about the various Steorn developerment clubs. I know that starting back in 2007 the first developer's club was started and then there was supposed to be a second one that many applied for but Steorn never opened it up yet then there was the OS and then the 300 and the SKDB with the annual paying version to start in February. But when I read the various posts by members of these groups on different forums it seems that what Steorn is doing currently in Dublin is "edge of the seat" stuff to them. Wasn't the whole point of these clubs to reveal the necessary information to replicate an Orbo and would that not mean that what Steorn is showing is nothing new to those members? This coupled with the fact that the vaunted jury never saw anything dynamic as they stated what exactly do these secretive clubs provide that is definitive vis-a-vis OU?
Also, I understand that the the various clubs are segregated from each other. Clanzer said he could not see what the other groups were doing. What is the point of that? It seemed from the beginning that Steorn was looking for collaborative efforts and yet they keep the groups apart defeating that aim.
You are partially (and historically) correct about the separation you've described. Let me try to straighten you out on a couple of minor details as far as I know.
Up until just a few days ago, there were separate areas for the "good old boys" and the "Steorn 300" of which I am a member. Very recently, that wall of partition has been taken down, and now it is possible for us in the 300 to see postings from and communicate with the others. This change seems to be gladly embraced by those I've seen comment from both sides.
Those from both sides include a rather broad spectrum of opinion, including outright skeptics, hopefuls, and true believers. One thing we all seem to have in common, for which I am quite grateful, is a very civil and mutually supportive and helpful interaction, rather than a lot of "in your face" cynicism.
It is not yet clear to me whether those who buy SKDB memberships will also become part of the same general milieu, but I suspect that they will.
Regarding exactly what Steorn is trying to accomplish and how they are interacting with us as various groups, your questions are really not that different from those that many insiders are asking. As I've stated repeatedly, Steorn still has quite a ways to go before Orbo is truly "proven" and before the technology will be widely adopted.
Thanks for the clarification. Did Steorn ever give a reason as to why there were many different versions of these clubs? Was not the aim for all of them the same?
And just to clarify further am I to understand that complete understanding of Orbo has not been provided to the development groups so that replications can be made? If so, how is that people like Clanzer and possibly others are attempting to do it without full knowledge? Has Steorn ever provided a "charter" of what these groups are to do, timeframes to do it and Steorn's obligation to provide full disclosure? As everyone is under NDA what would prevent such a thing from occuring? My understanding was that once people went through the learning modules they would have full comprehension of the tech to replicate. It seems that is not the case. Correct me if I am not understanding.
The reason I ask is that with several hundred people ostensibly already involved what could the $419E provide to the new cadre of members that is different from what has transpired before?
None of this is clear and apparently not to the developers themselves.
Also, are the existing developers grandfathered with the new paying developers and the license fee waived or does everyone have to pay the annual fee to remain in good standing?
@creator:
From what I understand reading the various I'net OU forums,it seems that Steorn have been releasing Orbo replication information in installments to their various inner clubs. My question is: Starting from February 1st, will these old members have 100% of the information necessary to completely (as opposed to partially)replicate the Orbo?
Bobbotov and Obro, thanks for your comments and questions.
I don't really have concrete answers for you and therefore won't respond point by point, but you might enjoy at least a little speculation from my perspective.
Steorn (Sean McCarthy) has repeatedly emphasized that Steorn has no intention of engineering or developing Orbo beyond the "proof of concept" stage. Steorn's explicit intent is to transfer the core knowledge of the Orbo principles and effect to companies that have the engineering experience, facilities, and capital to accomplish the extensive and intensive practical development that Orbo requires to cross the threshold of practicality.
One purpose of the 300 has been for Steorn to receive direct feedback in order to be able to fine-tune their on-line training modules by receiving enough feedback to assure Steorn that such a knowledge transfer has adequately taken place.
From my direct experience, and in my humble opinion, the training modules do accomplish that, with one (admittedly large) caveat - that the effect and the principles are "real." Not (as yet) having personally replicated and proven that to myself, and not being a "math wiz," I am still personally in the category of "optimistic skeptic," hoping that the "Final Demo: Proof of Overunity" will knock everyone's socks off. The knowledge I have received through means of the training modules makes such an outcome at least quite plausible.
Steorn of course claims that the principles and effect are quite real, quite measurable, and quite reproducible, and that they will scale appropriately such that a major player in the technology sector (example: companies that design and build hard disk drives) will, given the knowledge available in the SKDB and with suitable licensing, be able to produce practical Orbo devices to power cellphones, etc.
If the Orbo effect and principles are real, than in hindsight the price of admission to the SKDB will look like the bargain of the century. As developers in the 300 at least, we have not yet been specifically told whether we are "grandfathered in" for ongoing membership.
Thanks again for your questions, and I hope my response has been somewhat helpful.
If Steorn wants to acquire companies that design and manufacture hard disk drives then why aren't they dealing with those types of companies instead of hobbyists, tinkerers and free energy enthusiasts? They have several hundred people who are not the target audience it seems and at least a portion have been involved for over two years with nothing to show for it. The litmus test for seeng if the knowledge transfer is complete is if and when the recipients can build their own device. Since that has not happened I take it the fine tuning is not complete and yet this thing goes live in February.
I must say that since I worked in engineering for a major electronics manufacturer for several decades this approach seems quite bizarre.
Steorn may believe that everything about Orbo is legitimate but unless the capability can be replicated by third parties then it is just so much talk without substance. A manufacturer wants detailed specifications that they can vet in their own shop to see if the tech is viable and not take someone's word for it. Have such detailed specifications ever been made available to the members of the developers clubs? I don't think so.
In the license agreement there is a clause about there being no warranty on the technology. Well, that will not make a third party manufacturer feel warm and fuzzy and is quite strange for something that is proportedly a fait accompli as Steorn claims. In other words, Steorn avers that Orbo is real and works as advertised but they wont guarantee it. It either works or it doesn't and if Steorn cannot back up their technology with some assurances then it becomes a crap shoot for a manufacturer. If I am going to power my product with Orbo then as with any other power source component I want to know the thing works before I potentially sink millions into designing around it.
Also, aside from the SKDB fee which I take it is just for training or knowledge transfer what additional fees will there be for actually designing a product that incorporates Orbo? Is it a royalty basis? Who owns the IP of the overall designed product? If the Orbo tech is not patented then what protects Steorn from the IP being hijacked?
