discuss the many groups that are either mis-using or spreading lies about the confederate cause and its flag and people. by Levi S.
(centrist)
Saturday, January 9, 2010
Today, there are many white supremacist groups that use the Confederate flag in their rallies and protests. Groups like the Neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan have stolen the Confederate flag and used it in their cowardly hate crimes. First of all the Neo Nazis have no place using the Confederate flag seeing as how Hitler outlawed the Confederate flag in 1935 because the Confederate flag symbolizes a government completely opposite of the centralist government Nazi Germany used. Second of all the KKK have no real use with the flag either. The flag the KKK flies at all their rallies is the American flag and their own KKK flag. In fact the head master of the KKK sent out memo not to fly the Confederate flag. The only two chapters of the Klan that do fly the Confederate flag are not in the mainstream KKK. These groups that use the flag have distorted the flags original meaning. they have taken a once great symbol of Southern Heritage and smeared it with racism.
The second threat to Southern Heritage is groups such as the NAACP and Black Panthers who wish to destroy the Confederate flag and its heritage completely. They have been mislead by the hate groups that use the flag such as the KKK and Neo Nazis who use it for racism. Because the Klan and Nazis portray it as such, the NAACP and other groups spread lies of the flag and what it means along with lies of what supporters of Southern Heritage wish to accomplish.
Real (not racist) supporters of Southern Heritage know that these two factors put together will slowly disintegrate the true history of what our ancestors fought for and the country that fought for. We realize that it is up to us to set good examples for people to see the real cause of the flag and the Confederacy. Without us, Southern Heritage my soon become a lost cause, lost to racism, hate, and refusal to see the truth.
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I am curious as to what Southern Heritage the Stars and Bars represent that is worthy of preservation? Certainly there was the dispute against the tariffs on export cotton in an effort to keep the northern mercantile establishment competitve with foreign manufacture. The South's economic system was dependent upon slavery, and the forced displacement of the Native American population to points west. If the racism that was inherent in those approaches is not consistent with the Neo Nazis and KKK perhaps complaining about their use of the symbol might be appropriate. However, the rhetoric today of the South's establishment politicians continues to draw from the assumption of a lesser value to non-white citizens
Ben, It was Lincoln who had 39 (out of 300) indian he hand picked to be hung in 1830 while ongoing US was expanding west. And, if the South was dependant on slavery, how much more so was the north? Their cotton mills, sewing factories nad their control of gov't tariffs on imports of such to protect teir industries against South? It was northerners and their ships that brought slaves here - even after trade had been outlawed in 1808. It was nothern slave holders who created black codes to keep blacks out of their states after some outlawed slavery. It was those same northern state that sold/exported their slaves to South so as not to loose their investments. And btw, the largest KKK organizations fly the US flag and are located in northern states. Ironically - or not- the largest black militant groups are in the South.
As for The Star and Bars I don't you would even know it if you seen it. It is basically the CURRENT GA State flag. The one you are referning to is the Battle flag with ST Andrews Cross.
explain to me why it is the C.S.A freed their slaves in 1863 with the passing of the Emancipation Proclamation, but the Union did not free her slaves untill the passing of the 13th Ammendement in 1865, and you can still relate the CSA to slavery! never has a confed. flag flown over a slave ship. those poor people saw the American stars and stripes when they were stolen from their homes. The union was the criminal in the War Between the States.
My question was what southern heritage represented by the confederate flag was worth preserving. Is it the effort at secession that was defeated? South Carolina's effort at nullification confronted by Andrew Jackson? Jackson's aggressive policy of Indian removal, a significant departure from his predecessors, and most significant in Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee? Efforts to expand slavery to the newly emerging states? What is it that the confederate flag represented that is worth preserving?
Yes, the American Flag represented a country that had a system of legal slavery, a policy of Indian removal, and an attitude of White Supremacy. Does the confederate flag represent a collusion of entities that sought to preserve such values even as the country was evolving away from them? Or, does it represent something else? To me, the confederate flag represents the effort at secession, for in that effort lies its purpose, the symbol of a separate nation. Was there any other purpose for a confederate flag?
I'll tell you why its worth preserving: First of all the confederate flag represents all the thowsands of soldiers who died fighting for it, that to me is the most important thing. second it represents the Confederate veterans like my greatX4 grandfather. It represents a struggle for liberty and independence just like what the revolutionary war was fought over. every bit of it is worth preserving.
it has nothing to do with a modern day fight or war. or how rich or poor you are. it is simply about honoring our anestors and showing what they really fought for.
The Confederate Flag is the flag of the white, Southern ethic group, which is a semi-nation, bearing the same relationship to whites outside the South that Austrians bear to Germans, or English Canadians do to Anglo Americans: same language and ethnicity, but capable (as the Austrians and Canadians have in fact done) of living a separate state. History has precluded a separate state for Southern whites, who in any case live on ground where they are interpenetrated with another semi-nation, the Blacks.
But as a symbol of nostalgia for an idealized past, the Confederate flag is harmless. People have as much right to fly it as they do Black Nationalist flags, or the Mexican flag.
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