The genocide of specific races has occured to eliminate overpopulation. by Kevin Roeten
(conservative)
Friday, December 25, 2009
Few would have done this if they knew what would happen. The Jewish holocaust involved the death of at least 6 million people. Many other human-forced atrocities occurred, but the one occurring now is more heinous that normal. People in America actually voted for the people who instigated this silent death of almost 50 million to date.
This film reveals that of the 50 million babies killed since Roe, 17 million were Black. With its origins from the eugenics movement, the film shows how the specific culprit in America (Planned Parenthood) targets Blacks and other groups they regard as inferior.
Since Roe (1973), this genocide has killed more Blacks than cancer, heart disease, AIDs, and gang violence combined. Every week, more Blacks are killed in "abortuaries" than died in the entire Vietnam War. Every 4 days, more Blacks are exterminated by abortion than the KKK has lynched in the last 150 years.
Discussions with Rev. Clenard Childress Jr. [BlackGenocide.org] revealed that 35% of almost 4500 abortions daily in the U.S. are done on Black children. But Black Americans constitute only 13.5% of the population, and 52% of all Black pregnancies result in abortion.
The documentary above documents how Planned Parenthood and other groups are using abortion and contraception to reduce the Black population in a slow but deliberate genocide. Evidently, some civil rights leaders gave a clear warning in the 1960's that population control and abortion were tools of Black genocide. Almost as many black babies are aborted, as born alive.
In Heartbeat of Miami: eNewsletter, Martha Avila (President) said Miami-Dade County has one of the highest abortion rates in the country. She said the county has more than 37 abortion facilities in predominantly Black and Hispanic communities such as Little Haiti, Little Havana and Hialeah.
But the really unfortunate news per [Gospel_of_Life_Ministries@xmr3.com] is approximately 78% of Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are located in minority neighborhoods.
One can easily make several conclusions from this information:
a) Obama knows about PP's activities, and something much more sinister is occurring
g) most of those voting Democrat have no idea what has evolved with this party
h) If every Black elected official, Black journalist, professor at every Black college, and Black pastor saw this documentary, there would be an unprecedented upheaval in this country
The word "maafa" (pronounced mah - AH - fa) is Swahili and means "disaster" or "great tragedy." It is used to describe particularly terrible events like slavery. Blacks are probably familiar with it.
As some have stated after seeing Maafa 21, abortion on demand was never about freedom of choice'. It was about population control, in quantity and quality. From another, "...we've found the Weapon of Mass Destruction, and it's the suction machine at Planned Parenthood."
Perhaps Human Life International's Research Director, Brian Clowes, put it more succinctly: "The most dangerous place for an African-American baby is in the womb of its African-American mother."
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Posted By: Jahfre Fire Eater
Date: 2009-12-25 11:55:06
Hi Kevin,
 Humans are a species designed to begin conceiving and delivering babies in their teens. Many forms of social oppression have been tried over the ages in an attempt to delay reproductive activity. In the long-run all of these attempts are futile. As long as there are teenage humans there will be pregnant teenagers. As long as there are pregnant teens in a society that doesn't foster extended families and community support for unwed mothers there will be pregnant teens who seek out abortionists. There is no law that can change biology or change human responses to economic stimuli.
Progressive social engineering tends to reduce the standard of living and limit available options for changing one's economic status. Therefore, it follows that those closest to the economic edge will suffer the consequences first in greater numbers. If you examine the data objectively you'll find that financial status is more indicative of abortion rates than is race. I think your choice of interpretation says much about you.
I believe the coming depression will force families to begin to stay more local than they have for the past 60 years. When the inevitable collapse of our currency causes the social welfare net to dissolve overnight the trend will begin. I expect it to last the rest of my life...maybe 40 years...from the end of the depression that is just now getting started.
Things change. The only real, enduring question for me is one of morality. I believe it is immoral to make normal, inevitable human behavior, exercising a right, punishable by force of law. It is doubly immoral, if such a thing were possible, to pursue such laws fully knowing that it is also the force of laws that increase the occurence of such behavior. Talk about a catch-22 of social engineering. The poor, fertile teen has no choice but to become fodder for politics and religion rationalization for immoral legislation.
Abortion is definately immoral. I do not approve of it and believe it is a very poor decision to make. Adoption is the better choice.
NEVERTHELESS, the govenment has no right to preach its morals to us. The "Noble Experiment" (prohibition) proved that any attempt at forcing one group's morals on the entire nation will end in repeal.Â
Being designed to conceive and and actually conceiving are two different things entirely. I might have a stimuli to steal from one that has a lot. There are also laws that prohibit that.
Financial status tells nothing about the morals you were raised with. It sounds like you were bereft of any morals when you were raised.
You need to answer that question of morality. Â You need to know what are actual "rights" and what are priviledges. Increasing the occurences of bad behavior because of more laws just indicates that those people have no morals in the first place.
There is no Catch-22. The fertile teen has just not been educated properly.
When has the government preached anything and said it was morals? Prohibition was never said to be morals either. They found out that one can drink responsibly, or irresponsibly. There are laws against irresponsible driving. You remember 0.08 % alcohol content, don't you?
I only want to say that one group of people cannot make a moral life decision for themselves AND everybody else. One can decide that drinking is immoral and not drink themselves, but they cannot tell everybody else they cannot drink either.Â
One can decide birth control and abortion is immoral and never take birth control or have an abortion, but they certainly cannot tell everyone else that they cant take birth control or have abortions either.    Â
One thing you must realize. No one is "telling" ANYBODY that something is immoral so it can't be done. People do vote on resolutions which makes something legal or illegal.
If someone is killed by abortion, laws can be made to stop that. An aborted person has had his life taken away by disregarding the Declaration, has had his right to life taken away by ignorant politicians, has had his option removed of making the world a better place if she/he lived, but it's up to us to decide if that's an immpral thing to do.
Of course, God has already decided whether its immoral or not. You had just better hope you made the right decision.
The embryo is removed from the uterus not because of ignorant politicians, but because the mother wanted it to be removed. Why would someone want the government to take away their own right to make a decision rather than make a decision for themselves? i believe a mother knows better than the government whether she should have her baby or not.
Why should the government be run by God as YOU see him? After all, the united states is a melting pot of cultures and religions. There are many views of God. Buddha's morals could be different than those of God, and im sure that there would be public outcry if some buddhist morals were attempted to be made into law.
Posted By: Ross Williams
Date: 2009-12-28 13:50:06
If someone is killed by abortion...
How would that occur? The scalpel slips and lacerates the nurse's artery and she bleeds out all over the floor?
Please don't attempt to equivocate, here, and assert "abortion is murder" because then you will be a hypocrite. Under our system of governance -- democratic republic -- we vote for our representation who make laws on our behalf [typically, although in certain circumstances we have actual plebescites]; those laws do not convey personhood to a fetus. You cannot have murder without a person to be murdered. Since a fetus is not a person ... aborting a fetus is not murder.
Nor can it be.
Now, that is what the legal definitions inform us. And which you are championing, at least in part, immediately above. Which means that your essay is, effectively, meaningless and your tired refrains which follow are futility squared.
...unless you aren't. Unless you really are attempting to conflate your personal morality with broader legal implications. If so, then you are indeed telling others what can/cannot be done as it violates "morality".
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...and here I thought this was going to be an essay on how busybody foreign policy, supported largely by liberals, have caused millions of deaths -- actual deaths -- of brown- and black-skinned 'ferriners' because of various environmental pieties. Silly me. It's just another in a long, boring line of self-righteous anti-abortion screeds.
Surely you jest. It was the ignorant politicians who decided that the baby was NOT a life. The mother knows better than anybody how to NOT get herself pregnant with a child. If she decides that just because the government calls it legal since 1973, that she can kill the child, the government should step in and rescind that spurious decision in 1973.
The last time I checked, 76% of Americans considered themselves Christian. We are a Christian nation, and we have Christian signs throughout our history. Get used to it. If you consider yourself a Buddist, move to China.
The column was about the murder of Black babies. I'm sure you understood that. But if you have questions about abortion I'll be happy to answer them.
There's no equivocation. Just you trying to justify abortion. As soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg, you have life. All necessary chromosomes are there, the soul is there, and that baby is a different person than their mom or dad. Different hair (usually), different abilities, different I.Q.
Absolutely no lawmaker gives life to anyone. They were just the ones that said it was OK to kill a baby as soon as the mother got pregnant. That doesn't mean it's right. You know, when the mother gets pregnant, she's not partially pregnant, she's not barren, she's with CHILD.
I'm trying to figure out since your pronouncement that a fetus is not a person, when does it occur? Is it the third month? The seventh month? Maybe it's not until a year after it's birth? You'll have to let me know when a baby decides to be a person. Inquiring minds need to know. And obviously you do.
I guess you didn't get the real gist of the column after all. You still haven't told me when you think life begins. And please let me know if you actually think you're intelligent enough to know that. I'm all ears. Â
Posted By: Ross Williams
Date: 2009-12-29 06:26:39
As soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg, you have life.
Not. According. To law.
 ...the soul is there ...
Find it; then legally define it.
Absolutely no lawmaker gives life to anyone
Lawmakers give laws, by definition; laws govern what we are allowed -- and not -- to do. There is nothing else.
...unless you believe there is something else, in which case what is going on -- again -- is you attempting to circumvent the legal landscape to inflict your personal 'morality' upon everyone else.
I'm trying to figure out since your pronouncement that a fetus is not a person, when does it occur?
Wasn't my pronouncement, but you knew that. You cannot possibly be as dishonest, as disingenuous, as sanctimoniously self-serving as you appear to be.
I'm all ears
No you aren't. You're all bombast and self-righteousness.
You are very well aware of what our laws are; you are very well aware of how those laws get to be that way.   My opinions -- if you are indeed deigning to inquire upon them -- are of no consequnce to this subject, as yours are not.
You are not going to turn this into a Shoot The Messenger Gallery.
We are a democratic republic, son, not a dictatorship. Get with the program.
1) Exactly what law said that? And how do you know that whatever law you quoted knows exactly when life starts? Ah, so many questions. So far, no answers...
2) Many more people have said that a soul exists, than not. I'm afraid it's up to you to prove that a soul does NOT exist. Good luck.
3) Any laws lawmakers give are nothing but laws to be followed. Nothing else. Many laws have been right in the past, but many have been wrong. There's God, but apparently you don't believe. Too bad.
4) You were the one that stated a fetus is not a person. But you haven't backed that up yet. I guess you never will...
5) Now you're spouting words that possibly fit your personality. I've prayed for your soul, Ross. You have until you die this mortal life to amend your ways. Whatever made you the way you are?
How can I shoot the messenger when I was the one who wrote the column in the first place? A column, I might add, you never addressed.
We are a democratic republic which was started by the Founding Fathers, 90% of whom were very religious. When did you fall off the wagon?
Posted By: Ross Williams
Date: 2009-12-29 12:09:55
Exactly what law said that?
All of our laws which define what murder is. Avail yourself of any one of them.
I'm afraid it's up to you to prove that a soul does NOT exist. Good luck.
Do you get some prize for littering your screed with logical fallacies? More people have claimed ghosts/aliens/dragons/leprechuans exist, you have to prove they don't...
Proof by Majority Will, or Proof by Lack of Counterexample are dishonest games played by dishonest people [typically] pushing a favorite propoganda. You've just "proven" sasquatch, UFOs, unicorns, flat earths and chupacabra. Congrats. You may not be in line for any other prize, but you've earned my Neo-Luddite of the Week nomination.
...and before you put up the feeble counterclaim... RULE by majority will is not the same as PROOF by majority will. The majority can pass any laws they want affirming dragons, denying leprechuans equal rights, prohibiting unicorns on Main Street before noon, and demanding aliens get a little green card. Doesn't mean that any of those laws will or can be enforced.
Any laws lawmakers give are nothing but laws to be followed. Nothing else.
Bingo; laws to be followed. You don't like the laws, you have recourse to change the laws. You cannot simply assert the laws are invalid and have that assertion adopted. You can make an argument that the laws are invalid ["you" here is notional; you, personally, would have a difficult time constructing a valid argument that water is wet]; but until your argument has been accepted by the political structure that creates our laws, it simply exists as a "good argument".
Many laws have been right in the past, but many have been wrong.
Then explain why they are wrong.  Or, more to the immediate point, explain why these laws, allowing abortion and denying a fetus personhood, are wrong. Once you explain it you are advised to allow the political framework of our nation to cogitate upon your explanation and determine if it - collectively - wishes to act upon it. My guess would be 'no', but that's yet to be determined. Make it a good argument, this time.
There's God, but apparently you don't believe
My belief in god is irrelevant to whether he exists or not. My lack of belief in you prior to running across your disastrous essay didn't alter your existence, did it?
But since we're talking about law in this numbered paragraph in which you bring up god, I'm going to assume you're asserting some sort of "god's law" dictum to backfill your claims to abortion being a no-no. And -- I've advised this before -- if it is god's law, then it should really be left to god to enforce it. The US, and each of its states, are only authorized to enforce US [or a state's] law.
I would have no issue at all with god imposing his will on us. ...if he is of a mind to. What I have issue with is those who are arrogant enough to believe that they speak for god and demand to have their whims -- repackaged as "god's will" -- imposed on everyone around. Apparently god doesn't have a consistent "will" on this subject, as a great many of his mouthpieces have very very very disparate notions of what his True Will actually is.
You were the one that stated a fetus is not a person
The law says it. You are again welcome to avail yourself of same. The answer isn't going to change because you wish to clamp your mittens over your ears and charge that the question hasn't been answered. Stop playing dishonest games.
Now you're spouting words that possibly fit your personality
Good. To thine own self be true. I have no tolerance for petty, small-minded, self-serving [gluteal apperatures], and I tend to be ... uh ... rather blunt.
You can "pray for my soul" all you wish, but I'm not in any great fear of having my god -- or yours -- condemning me for anything. On the other hand, among the lessons you appear to have missed in your religious training are these:
judge not lest ye be judged likewise
do unto others as you would have others do unto you
Since I seriously doubt that you'd appreciate anyone else sanctimoniously "praying for your soul" because you have a different interpretation of holy writ than they do, and applying all manner of fanciful, self-righteous and inappropriately hypocritical political derivations thereupon, you should probably cease doing that to those who have pointed out your merely political hackery attempting to hide under the thin veil of righteousness.
The Founding Fathers, of whom 90% were religious, created a democratic republic in which no religion or religious doctrine would dominate and domineer those of other persuasions -- or of no persuasion whatsoever.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, bucko, but your personal views on abortion are a minority view -- even among those who are, today, religious and even among those who are Christians. Sorry. Dig through the numbers.
Yes, yes, I know: the next step is to denounce their religiosity as "false" or "misguided". But let's try to not step into ideological cliche, shall we? Break new ground; attempt another response. Because for every time you say they are espousing a false belief, they can do the same to and about you. And since -- as I mentioned -- god has manifestly failed to appear in person and clarify the matter once and for all, it's simply your word against theirs, and [once again] ... you are outnumbered. In a democratic republic, in which RULE by Majority Will is the basic cornerstone, that would seem to settle the issue.
There IS life once a sperm fuses with an egg. But it certainly is not human. Its probable that a fetus has the soul equivilent to that of a half gram of nerve tissue, or a small fern. Cutting down an oak tree probably destroys more soul than removing a fetus.
Do you really believe that the removal of a bit of tissue is equal to a murder? should mothers and doctors be placed among cold blooded murderers in jail? i believe that pure maternal instinct would prevent a mother from doing abortion if it truley was murder...
in the middle east, there are some nice governments centered around their religions... Id rather have a neutral government with no religious affiliation.
1) Sorry, Ross. Didn't work. Every dictionary I've read defines exactly what happens to a baby that's aborted. You DO have a dictionary, don't you?
2) Sorry, Ross. Didn't work again. Majority believes that souls exist. You are one that doesn't. Science, and all details for human existence indicate a soul MUST exist. There is no proof either way. You believe in the vast minority. Therefore you must provide some evidence somewhere that souls do NOT exist.
3) If you actually think that a god is irrelevant, then your view of the universe is quite limited, indeed. You shouldn't ASSUME Ross. Hasn't anyone ever told you what "assuming" does??
You remember the 10 Commandments, don't you? The ones about stealing, lying, cheating, and killing are all spelled out there. Interesting the 10 Commandments came from God, but we have laws against every one of them.
4) You seem to make the grave error that God's laws don't have a higher priority than man's laws. I can easily explain why some laws are wrong. Give me your e-mail and I can supply an entire discertation.
5) If my column was so disastrous, why did you respond? You forget that God made many laws. But He also gave us free will, so He won't force any of those laws on you. You can understand that?
6) You still haven't told me exactly what law says that a fetus is NOT a person.
7) You don't have to be worried about your outcome now. But upon your mortal death, I'd be very, very worried. Hopefully God will have mercy upon your soul.
Evidently you seem to have NO religious training. Judging directly is depending upon one's assesment where another is going to spend eternal life. Only God can do that.
You'll have tolet me know what I did to you. As far as I know, we've only written back and forth.
The Founding Fathers made sure that there would be no national religion. They, at no time, eliminated any practiced religion.
Maybe it's you who needs to 'dig thru the numbers'. the last time I checked the MAJORITY of Americans were against abortion. Hey, you are American, aren't you?
Please, Ross. You need to stop assuming. I am no priest, reverend, or deacon. Just a concerned citizen. How about you? Are you even American?
You're going to tell me there's life, but it's not human?? From what knowledge do you base that pronouncement on??
You can remove a bit of tissue from any human, and depending upon where it's from, they can die. Your belief in maternal instinct was unfounded in at least 1.3 million abortions done in the US last year!
I really think you'd rather have the correct religion. It seems terrorists could really have their way with you...
Posted By: Ross Williams
Date: 2010-04-13 12:16:54
Sorry, Ross. Didn't work. Every dictionary I've read defines...
Sorry, Kevin, but play village idiot on your own time, not mine.
"My time" is where ever I happen to be when I'm there.
Majority believes that souls exist
Then that majority needs to impress upon their legislators to work that belief into the law so that it can be used to leverage an anti-abortion reality. Until then, "belief" is irrelevant for "belief" is not a legally enforcible commodity.
If you actually think that a god is irrelevant, then your view of the universe is quite limited, indeed
My view of the universe is not the issue; the issue is abortion and your tired and intellectually crippled attempts to rationalize how it is not ultimately an issue under law.
...which makes the one doing the "assuming" here, vous, mon frer.
Interesting the 10 Commandments came from God, but we have laws against every one of them.
Really? When was the last time you saw anyone pilloried for saying, "Jesus CHRIST are you ever a god-damned self-righteous ass hole!"
You seem to make the grave error that God's laws don't have a higher priority than man's laws
If god wants his laws imposed and followed, he's more than welcome to come do it. No one's stopping him.
The problem with you doing it in his name is that Betty Jones, over there on the other side of the internet aisle, has read the same bible as you, fervently beLEEEEEEVES it just like you, and has an entirely different rendering of it; her god has no qualms about abortion whatsoever.
Which leaves us mere mortals wondering: whose god is right?
I wish they'd have their Olympian Face-off once and for all and get it over with.
If my column was so disastrous, why did you respond?
Because you're a self-righteous jerkwad. You're like the auto accident on the interstate that some people can't avoid looking at just to see the grotesque spectacle for themselves.
You provide entertainment, Kev. Cheap entertainment to be sure, and one that is, unfortunately, not unlike pulling the wings off flies, but entertainment nonetheless.
You still haven't told me exactly what law says that a fetus is NOT a person
My days as a legal scholar are over; there are people who do that for a living. If you're that curious, hire one at $400/hr to look it up for you.
Hopefully God will have mercy upon your soul
Whatever god I believe in most certainly will. Thanks for your insincere concern.Â
the last time I checked the MAJORITY of Americans were against abortion
The last time you checked what? The polling after Sunday School? I have no doubt.
Roughly 1/6 of Americans of voting age want no abortions of any kind, and even dissemble when it comes to "rape, incest and life of the mother".
Roughly 1/6 of Americans of voting age want all abortions all the time.
This makes 1/3 of Americans who have polarized - and polarizing - views on the subject driving the issue to the vast, inconclusive nowhere that it's been since 1973. Frankly, I'm sick to death of both of you.
There's 2/3 of the rest of us in the middle who are fine with legal abortions, and fine with certain restrictions on abortion.
Now, that's reality. The same one you have so many troubles accepting. The same one which consistently refuses to define a fetus as a person, the concept of "gods laws" irrelevant in a court of law, and all of your other sanctimonious screed as anything but the mewlings of a tyrant wanna-be.
Are you even American?
 ...a tyrant wanna-be who is so childishly invested in perpetrating as wide a variety of logical fallacy as he can.
Will you please try to grow up? If you're going to talk politics, then do so; if you want to talk religion, then do so with someone who gives a shit.
I guess you must be glad that your mom decided not to abort you. You've heard about "free will", haven't you? That means you have the freedom to do anything you want (in God's eyes) until you die. We know you will make the right decision.
Do we know if Betty Jones has the correct interpretation of the Bible? And, are you familiar with the 3rd Commandment? Don't worry. You can do anything you want, now, with your free will. It's then, you may have to 'pay the piper".
We hope you lose some of that anger by the time of your mortal death. Hopefully we'll see you in heaven. It's all up to you!
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