To many think about the wrong things about water boarding. by Kevin Roeten
(conservative)
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Imagine a small baby floating around in a sea of water. It's quite comfortable, and even has a hose for prolonged submersion. The water temperature is around 97o Fahrenheit, so there's no physical discomfort whatsoever. Its entire DNA has already been provided, so its height, weight, intellect, skin color and hair color are already known. Only problem unknown to the baby, is the carnivorous shark that lies in wait.
The shark may or may not come searching for its gruesome feast. But when it does, the baby is unaware of the shark's intentions. Nothing is sacred. It's all there for the shark's devouring and consumption. The shark knows the baby is defenseless against his vicious lunges and rips at the unclothed body.
Under the most intense pain imaginable, the baby cannot scream, for it is underwater. No one will hear the screams anyway. As the shark rips off limb by limb, the baby pulls away from the sharp teeth, but cannot even manage an impassioned yell. The shark is fast as it is vicious, and soon the only thing left is the soft baby's skull which is collapsed under only a small amount of pressure of the closing jaws.
Actually, the above scenario is something any baby feels during a typical D&E(Dilation & Extraction) abortion. The baby would not know the difference between a carnivorous shark and the cold instruments of an abortion. The D&E is typically done during the 2nd trimester, while the Suction Curettage is normally done during the 1st trimester.
In the Suction Curettage, the baby is continually jabbed until small enough pieces can be sucked through the "cannula". One is unsure of what the baby thinks of being sucked through the cannula, but one recent science fiction movie comes right to mind. We know the baby experiences excruciating pain after 20 weeks gestation from outward signs, but before that we don't know how much pain can be felt, simply because we can't see it.
But recently in the Netherlands, scientists from the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Maastricht University Medical Centre and the University Medical Centre in St. Radboud have found short-term memory in babies before they were born. Their findings were on a study of 100 healthy pregnant women with the help of some gentle sound and vibration stimulation, combined with sonography (Washington Times).
But the similarities between an abortion and a water boarding episode could be eerily familiar. Both involve water, but the pre-born baby loves it and the water boarded person hates it. But the differences make themselves known easily.
During water boarding the victim is almost never physically harmed. There is no torture tactics used, no physical harm inflicted, and no damage to the brain imposed. The recipient comes out of the procedure highly embarrassed that he made particular statements. But he is quite alive, and unharmed.
In abortion, we know incredible pain is inflicted after 20 weeks, and are not sure how much the baby withstands before that time period. Immediate death is almost always the result, if the baby has not already died from having its head crushed. If it is still alive after an abortion, it is placed on a cold table to die, killed immediately after birth by some means, or it is partially aborted by severing its spinal cord at the neck before exiting the woman.
For any method used, one can rest assured that the baby does feel copious amounts of pain before death, assuredly after 20 weeks of gestation. One can easily determine which method actually involves torture, especially with the definition of torture defined up until 20 years ago, known from the dawn of mankind.
But many who complain of torture with water boarding seem to care less about what happens to a human just because they can't see or hear it.
Go figure
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I can think of better analogies. Analogy 1: An American warplane drops a bomb on an Iraqi's house. A pregnant woman in that house is severely injured and miscarries. Analogy 2: A father take his son to a river to "teach him to swim" by throwing him into the lake. The son nearly dies from drowning, nearly dies only because his father rescued him and performed mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. The son is emotionally scarred for life, distrusting his father and terrified of water. The first analogy compares to abortion,the second compares to the psychological effects of waterboarding. The first is a murdered innocent, just like abortion! Innocent babies killed by bombs are  not "collateral damage", they're victims murdered by government! And the second is cruelty just like waterboarding is at least cruel and unusual punishment if somehow not torture!
Sorry, but incorrect. American warplanes have NEVER been instructed to drop a bomb on someone's house in Iraq. A pregnant woman who is severely injured will rarely miscarry. Either the baby continues to live, until allowed to die, or someone does an abortion. Either way, you're wrong on both counts.
And any kind of father would never just throw his son into a river just to see if he'll swim. And being thrown into deep water is nothing like waterboarding. I guess you've never been waterboarded before. Wrong on both counts again!
I see you're also redefining the word "torture" again. Just how old are you anyway?
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