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Ron Paul: A Big $ Guy I just Don't Like

Why I'm Scared of Dr. Ron Paul
by Christopher Espinal
(Conservative)
Thursday, December 20, 2007

He’s a 72 year old OB-GYN strong about his word. Strong enough to compare him to John Gotti: a rich and armed Mobster ready to aim and fire. Ron Paul loves life, which explains why he would never hurt another soul, but his firearm has a different target: the government, not just big government, but necessary government.

10-term Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul plans to dismantle important organizations aimed at maintaining the USA’s national security. The CIA, FBI, NSA, Department of Homeland Security, and others have very high places on Dr. Paul’s elimination list. Imagine the most hated nation in the world with no intelligence agencies, no covert special operations or strategic international systems and bases aimed at upholding this great nation.

That means terrorist organizations and corrupt foreign governments can smuggle tools and weapons against our interests at any time. Our lack of knowledge of undesirable underground activity can lead to horror aimed at our very important institutions that keep this nation intact. Enemies can imminently attack us from within our own boundaries because we gave up on intelligence.

They argue that we incite hatred abroad. They argue that we rape and pillage for self interest. They argue that terrible and diabolical motivations don’t come from envy but from some political or social reconciliation resulting from our so called disastrous foreign policy. They may argue well, they may argue with reason and logic, but no politician can argue for our defense simultaneously striking us blind from danger and potentially lethal threats.

Ron Paul’s service to this nation deems him patriotic and a true believer in freedom but one must understand the realities with maintaining a nation. We live in a changed world where real time matters. Technology serves every man and woman well but can also complicate our lives. Technology enables the enemy to move faster and track our position. It enhances their malicious intentions to destabilize our important institutions that took centuries to develop. Again, how can one argue for our defense and simultaneously deny our right to meet these new and advanced enemies at the front gate rather than in our own home?

Worst of all, he has the cash to spread this message of disaster for the USA. Most political pundits ignore this silent movement which will result in a surprising uprising. By uprising I mean an uprising in polls of early primary states. People may not believe this, but Paul’s third place in Iowa can actually result in a first place win. Why? He has the support of more Independents and Democrats than mainstream Republicans (who represent the cohort in telephone surveys of likely Republican primary voters).

If he can pull in 7% of likely Republican primary voters, multiply that number by two or even three considering the Independents and Democrats who changed parties to vote for Ron Paul this year. As far as New Hampshire is concerned, Ron Paul can certainly win if enough Independents push their way through the voting machines.

How do I "know" this? Of all of the Ron Paul events I attended to understand this revolution, most of the folks I met voted in previous elections as Democrats and Independents. Now they all dress up as Republicans. Of course my ideas come only from my intuition but what do you expect me to believe when barely any of them voted last year as Republicans, yet Paul registers an impressive 7% to double digits across mainstream polls in important states? If he gains the right momentum from the first two early states, thanks to those changing Democrats and Independents, he may win big in Nevada, Michigan, and even South Carolina.

Now this I find scary. He has the money: grassroots organizations raised a record breaking 6 million dollars within a 24 hour period on December 16th in honor of the Boston Tea Party. Ron Paul’s campaign now has 18 million dollars (and much more) in the bank. It will not surprise me if this campaign comes out on top in terms of money. He probably has the power: around 100,000 members volunteer for Paul in grassroots campaigns using Meetup.com. Their support led to record breaking fundraising and a blimp to fly to all major campaigning sites. I think Paul is right when he says that something big is going on!

It’s unfortunate that campaign experts fail to recognize this new effort, fueled by the American people. I just wish these people understood the consequences of Ron Paul's very risky positions.

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Posted By: Jack Thompson
Date: 2007-12-20 19:10:54

Have you ever been in the military? If you have, then you understand the process used in basic training by which the instructors break down recruits through isolation, sleep deprivation, mental stress, and verbal abuse. In so doing, they create a blank slate foundation of a person upon which to build a solid core of discipline, loyalty, and honor. People who already have these qualities are not usually affected by the process, but those who do not emerge as very different people. Our Intelligence agencies have grown corrupt, overblown, and arrogant. Dismantling doesn't mean eliminating any intelligence at all. It means an opportunity to recreate them stronger and better with a focus on Diplomacy instead of Interventionism. It will be a slow process wherein one agency will be dismantled and rebuilt at a time so that the remaining agencies can continue to operate until the newly structured agency is capable of handling the mission. There are 6 agencies... NSA, FBI, CIA, DHS, Army MI, and Navy Intel. Surely we can handle a bunch of misfits living in caves in Pakistan with only 1, let alone 6. Especially if we were no longer occupying their holy places, thereby helping them with recruiting. Jack Thompson Iraq Veteran Army Officer

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Posted By: Keith Taylor
Date: 2007-12-20 19:14:32

So let me get this straight.  We have to relinquish our rights in order to preserve them.  We have to go to war in order to have peace.  Sounds perfectly in sync with many Republicans.  Sorry, I have to go roll around in the dirt, I like to clean myself before bed.

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Posted By: Ryan
Date: 2007-12-20 19:27:26

"important organizations aimed at maintaining the USA’s national security. The CIA, FBI, NSA, Department of Homeland Security, and others have very high places on Dr. Paul’s elimination list."

Chris: seriously...and really, I mean "seriously". Are you saying that the bureaucracies that I have quoted you on above (verbatim) actually work? I am at a loss for words when I read this kind of thing. I thought along those lines too once so trust me when I say to support Ron Paul has been a difficult trek of discovery on my part. But that is when I stopped to THINK! I urge you to really tell us how these bureaucracies help us the people of the United States (and give us/protect our Freedoms). I have never had a member of any of these agencies come to my home an say "hi Ryan, we're here to help" and on that note, I don't particularly like them working in the background to "protect" me either. Maybe that is just me.

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Posted By: Dee Ann Guzman
Date: 2007-12-20 19:34:54

Republican my whole life, even before I could vote. Voting for Ron Paul. Feel sorry that you cannot see just how this government is going to swallow you up and spit you out. I don't need government to protect me from terrorists. I need the Constitution to protect me from government.

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Posted By: Maggie
Date: 2007-12-20 19:43:58

Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Ben Franklin

It's hardly American to think that the government knows best. If we had that attitude, we would still be a part of England. And judging by the way things are now, maybe that would be better!

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Posted By: Steve Grycel
Date: 2007-12-20 19:52:56

Whoa! your article was intense. I have only one question to it. If we, as a nation, stay out of other peoples lives, would thay want to kill us? Do they really hate us for the few freedoms we have left after Bush/Cheney? Do people really hate us because our women wear skirts? Please give us all a break. They hate us because we are telling them what to do and how to live. You wouldn't like it either.

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Posted By: akak
Date: 2007-12-20 19:58:50

I can never fathom how many so-called "conservatives" fail to heed or even understand that classic quote by Edmund Burke ( a true paleoconservative if there ever was one), "War is the health of the state." Once again:

"War is the health of the state."

Once again:

"War is the health of the state."

The trumpeting of fear of a foreign enemy, vastly overblown to cow impressionable citizens and silence "unpatriotic" critics, is perhaps the oldest trick in the political book --- and yet it still works, especially with a citizenry as historically ignorant as ours is today. To equate a few cave dwellers in the Middle East with an existential threat of unparalled magnitude is hysteria and self-serving hypocrisy of the highest order. I would rather have our country suffer ten more Sept. 11's than give up our freedoms and rights to a homegrown totalitarian government. What the 9/11 airplane hijackers failed to do, we are doing to ourselves by trampling our Constitution in our rush to hide under Big Brother's blanket.

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Posted By: biff
Date: 2007-12-20 20:50:46

I would start the argument with the premise that war is the greatest invention of the devil.  That being said it would seem that war is something to shun at all costs.  I see the message of liberty that Dr. Paul brings to our foreign relations more in line with the Swiss.  When was the last time they went to war?

You speak of a shadowy nefarious group that wishes us harm.  Whomever these people are, why are they so pissed?  Seriously ask yourself, why?

 Some have written if only Ron Paul supporters knew what he advocated we wouldn't be so quick to vote for him.  This is one supporter who has never voted that has been waiting years for someone like Dr. Paul.

 Speaking with the IRS is about as close to pure evil as I want to get.  Yes, I want them gone.  Same with all the other "neccessary" government.  I bet when they are gone we will all have a good laugh about how "neccessary" they were.

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Posted By: Elijah Stanfield
Date: 2007-12-20 21:04:21

Let's compair.

NeoCons...What will we get taking this path?The biggest recession in history, A never ending war on the word "terror". How do you fight terror. Maybe we should have a war on scaryness too. Suicidal debt to China. So many secrets that people are paranoid that our own gov. had something to do with 911. That's a recipe for civil war. Constitution burned in the name of national security...Hey at least we have our honor, right Huckabee?

Ron Paul...An Honest try at something different. Let's give a peaceful foreign policy a REAL chance. Let's try to fix our debt, like there's no tomorrow (cause there isn't). Let's see what the economy will do, how the people will react when they can keep there hard earned money. Let's let the states run some of there own programs. IT'S HOPE! The future looks set in stone, like there's no way to avoid a crushing end. Ron Paul offers another direction. Maybe it won't be perfect, but I've got to believe it will be better than this horrible situation we are in now.

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Posted By: Nancy Edwards
Date: 2007-12-20 21:35:21

Chris ,

Thank you for the provocative article.

The larger the government is , the more unruly. Half of the people in government at all levels ( local , county , state and Federal ) are still honest. The other half are dishonest and also have access to your phone , fax, bank and credit accounts, computer , email, house , office , private medical and insurance records , gps of your auto , etc........ .

Check out the Sibel Edmunds group. There may be more outed than in.

I'm voting Dr. Ron Paul. I don't agree with all his views. I agree with most.

We still , just barely , live in a country where we can agree to disagree.

We are at insolvency.

Thousands of foreclosures are on the bench of our Federal court ; brought there by foriegn governments.

Happy holidays. Peace on Earth . Goodwill to men.

Ron Paul Revolution.

Nan ( family pre 1776)

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Posted By: Brian Thornton
Date: 2007-12-20 21:40:23

You have got to be a lost soul,to have been in any company of Ron Paul supporters,and to still not get it.The New World Order is not new at all.Only now they want to get the world first before the masses realize just how many times these pukes have killed our ancestors time and time again.And thier designs on even your freedom,this is a revolution,and it is inevitable thanks to thier efforts to suppress the masses,we will not let our rights be lost any further.And you sir,are unamerican.Support my fellow patriots at arms by bringing ALL of them home.

Semper Fi!

Brian Thornton

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Posted By: Pete
Date: 2007-12-20 22:58:27

This article is thought provoking and full of fear, I see this attitude in many of my Republican friends. I understand the fears of the author because he is saying exactly what our government and education system has taught him to say. The government maintains itself through imposition of fear on us. We are encouraged to fear foreign countries, global warming, terrorism, economic hardship and many other things.

All the while, the politicians take our earnings (a product of us, like our own blood) and tell us that they will protect us through their programs. This is a lie because they cannot protect us at all. The lie is self-evident; 9/11, Katrina, Oklohoma City, WTC bombing, and many more disasters and attacks throughout history. All things that the Feds knew could potentially happen but were too inefficient to prevent. FEMA holds fake press conferences to make itself look good and Hillary says, "We will take things away from you for the public good". They have made us forget that we as citizens, are our own first line of defense.

Look critically at the Federal Government and see how bad it has become and then look around your own state. Look at the public librarys, parks, public works, etc. Look at the good things local government does at a fraction of the cost of Federal government.

Ron Paul doesn't want to destroy the Federal government, he wants to fix it by getting it back to its original three jobs; defend America against enemies through superior strength, defend America's sovereignty through strong borders, and defend the individual rights of Americans against tryanny and oppression. Any thing beyond that is Constitutionally left up to the states, and most states are already doing a pretty good job. This is practically the same platform Ronald Reagan ran on in 1976, the man who broke the Soviet Union, a nuclear superpower. In fact, Ron Paul is one of a very few men that convinced him to run for the Presidency.

Freedom is risky, Ron Paul has said it himself. All I can say to Chris and people that have been terrorized by our own government's fear-mongering, is that life is risk. The only way to achieve greatness is through risk. Bad things happen and no one, not even a big government involved in every aspect of life, can stop that. Fear is slavery, liberty is the absence of fear.

Think Globally, Govern Locally

www.slackerlogic.net

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Posted By: Dave E.
Date: 2007-12-21 00:15:08

I think it is safe to say that you've been misninformed. Ron Paul doesn't want to eliminate "necessary government" at all. He only wants to reduce it to the size necessary to do its Constitutionally defined job. He doesn't want an America with no intelligence services. What he DOESN'T want is 60+ different intelligence agencies that waste about $39 billion of their $40 billion combined budgets. He wants efficient, effective intelligence. As for those who would harm us on our own shores, I think the "open borders" crowd are more to blame than any other group. If we respected the rule of law and enforced the existing immigration laws we'd be able to actually get a handle on intelligence about who and what are entering our country. It's the Trotskyite neo-republican phony conservatives and the Bush/Clinton/Bush oligarchy that have made it pathetically EASY for those "terrorist organizations and corrupt foreign governments" to smuggle in their threats. The Department of Homeland Security has simply doubled the layers of bureaucracy while wasting even more of our money than before WITHOUT making us any safer. It isn't worth the money and it DEFINITELY isn't worth the price in privacy and liberty for those of us who love our country and already obey the law only to be treated as suspects anyway.

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Posted By: InTheSticks1881
Date: 2007-12-21 00:18:00

Mr. Integrity. Mr. Constitution. A doctor not a lawyer. Economist. Statesman. A candidate truly for and by the people.

It's difficult for many to regonize at the moment, yet it will soon be upon us. We are at a cross roads. Our economy is headed for major recession. They are intentionally devaluing the dollar and consumer prices will rise two to four times faster in the next several years than they have in the recent past. Only Ron Paul understands and will execute sound financial policy. We'll need strong fundamentals to recover our prosperity and freedoms. Otherwise we face socialism.

I've been a staunch Republican for 35 years. The war is based upon misconceptions, and cannot be won. As we throw away another 2 trillion, and risk another war with Iran, Bush and the Democrats compromised so that his opponents against the war remain quiet as they are allowed join Bush, and spend us into oblivion. We are mostly a danger to ourselves.

Ron Paul would seek to close many of the 750 Cold War foreign bases, use the money saved to strengthen our defenses at home and revitalize the military, and take a non interventionist stance. The world would immediately understand and cool off. It would change everything.


By using the almost trillion or more saved each year from unnecessary foreign exploits and the money saved by cutting wasteful Departments, he could then strengthen our failing Social Security and Medicare programs and do much to help balance the budget and stablize the dollar and bloster the economy.
Our freedoms are necessarily attached to our prosperity as a starving or needy population will beg for handouts, accepting unthinkable government intrusion with further and dangerous erosion of the Constitution. He is the only candidate who can beat Clintion, and I will not accept a substitute.

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Posted By: Richard Wicks
Date: 2007-12-21 02:03:39

Essential government agencies?

The government shutdown twice under Clinton in the 1990s. Did you notice any difference during the shutdown?

Neither did I.

I am aghast that "conservatives" can't see these  "essential government services" for what they are - nothing more than a way to rob you of your earnings under the guise they are actually providing a service.

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Posted By: JT
Date: 2007-12-21 02:17:43

Do you know how to read? If you're going to push an agenda at least let us know what that agenda is.

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PJB: Is Terrorism Really a Mortal Threat?

by Patrick J. Buchanan

It may have been politically incorrect to publish the thoughts on the sixth anniversary of 9/11, but what Colin Powell had to say to GQ magazine needs to be heard.

Terrorism, said Powell, is not a mortal threat to America.

“What is the greatest threat facing us now?” Powell asked. “People will say it’s terrorism. But are there any terrorists in the world who can change the American way of life or our political system? No. Can they knock down a building? Yes. Can they kill somebody? Yes. But can they change us? No. Only we can change ourselves. So what is the great threat we are facing?”

History and common sense teach that Powell speaks truth.

Since 9/11, 100,000 Americans have been murdered – as many as we lost in Vietnam, Korea and Iraq combined. Yet, not one of these murders was the work of an Islamic terrorist, and all of them, terrible as they are, did not imperil the survival of our republic.

Terrorists can blow up our buildings, assassinate our leaders, and bomb our malls and stadiums. They cannot destroy us. Assume the worst. Terrorists smuggle an atom bomb into New York harbor or into Washington, D.C., and detonate it.

Horrible and horrifying as that would be – perhaps 100,000 dead and wounded – it would not mean the end of the United States. It would more likely mean the end of Iran, or whatever nation at which the United States chose to direct its rage and retribution.

Consider: Between 1942 and 1945, Germany and Japan, nations not one-tenth the size of the United States, saw their cities firebombed and their soldiers and civilians slaughtered in the millions. Japan lost an empire. Germany lost a third of its territory. Both were put under military occupation. Yet, 15 years later, Germany and Japan were the second and third most prosperous nations on Earth, the dynamos of their respective continents, Europe and Asia.

Powell’s point is not that terrorism is not a threat. It is that the terror threat must be seen in perspective, that we ought not frighten ourselves to death with our own propaganda, that we cannot allow fear of terror to monopolize our every waking hour or cause us to give up our freedom.

For all the blather of a restored caliphate, the “Islamo-fascists,” as the neocons call them, cannot create or run a modern state, or pose a mortal threat to America. The GNP of the entire Arab world is not equal to Spain’s. Oil aside, its exports are equal to Finland’s.

Afghanistan and Sudan, under Islamist regimes, were basket cases. Despite the comparisons with Nazi Germany, Iran is unable to build modern fighters or warships and has an economy one-twentieth that of the United States, at best. While we lack the troops to invade Iran, three times the size of Iraq, the U.S. Air Force and Navy could, in weeks, smash Iran’s capacity to make war, blockade it and reduce its population to destitution. Should Iran develop a nuclear weapon and use it on us or on Israel, it would invite annihilation.

As a threat, Iran is not remotely in the same league with the Soviet Union of Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev, or Mao’s China, or Nazi Germany, or Imperial Japan, or even Mussolini’s Italy.

And why would Tehran, which has not launched a war since the revolution in 1979, start a war with an America with 10,000 nuclear weapons? If the Iranians are so suicidal, why have they not committed suicide in 30 years by attacking us or Israel?

What makes war with Iran folly is that an all-out war could lead to a break-up of that country, with Persians, Azeris, Kurds, Arabs and Baluchis going their separate ways, creating fertile enclaves for al-Qaida recruitment and training.

Yet, while talking common sense, Gen. Powell himself reverted to cliche. “America could not survive without immigration.”

But this is nonsense. From 1789 to 1845, we had almost no immigration, before the Irish came. Did we not survive? From 1925 to 1965, we had almost no immigration. Yet, we conquered the Great Depression, won World War II, became the greatest power on earth and ended those four decades with an Era of Good Feeling under Ike and JFK unlike any we had known before.

Was the America of the 1940s and 1950s in which Colin Powell grew up in danger of not surviving for lack of immigration?

In our time, Pakistan, Ethiopia and Czechoslovakia have split apart. The Soviet Union and Yugoslavia have broken up into two dozen nations. Terrorism had nothing to do with it. Tribalism had everything to do with it.

Race, ethnicity and religion are the fault lines along which nations like Iraq are coming apart. If America ends, it will not be the work of an Osama bin Laden. As Abraham Lincoln said, it will be by our own hand; it will be by suicide.

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Posted By: Brian
Date: 2007-12-21 05:25:26

uh....is it just me or are a bunch of people taking a tongue-in-cheek article seriously?

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Posted By: Skip
Date: 2007-12-21 06:09:02

If Muslims came to hate us because we're rich and free, they ought to love us now. The last seven years of Bush$tapo have vaporized whatever prosperity and liberty Americans had when he and Cheney took office.

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Posted By: JT
Date: 2007-12-21 08:34:03

uh........ yes, I read it, thought ... "tongue in cheek", then posted anyways, Ron Paul wouldn't mind if I "checked the figures", people cruising along that were on a "fence" would have read that from a different perspective and moved along, also, when I'm reading up on Ron Paul I do see writings of such a nature, you know, get... "caught up in the game", pretty dangerous.

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Posted By: Kitt
Date: 2007-12-21 09:59:17

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Who said that? I'll give you a hint it wasn't Ron Paul..

It was Ben Franklin. He spoke many wise words those who do not learn from history will suffer from lack of knowledge. How can so many "smart" people not realize that we the people refuse to be AFRAID we refuse to give up our Freedom so that they can "Protect" us.

I will not surrender my freedom and that is why I am for Ron Paul. Maybe to you that is "kooky" or "strange" but then maybe is all the words of our founding fathers. I belive that the real message is are you for our constitution or against it. Ask yourself that and then pick your canidate.

Do you really belive we are more secure then we were on September 11th? Honestly our military is strung out all over the world, are dollar is strained , and our national guard isn't home... Whose gonna protect us? Before you do any more journalism I suggest reading Tsu Sun strategies to war. In order to win a war you first lead your enemy out of your there home. You force them to fight on your soil and wait for there sources to drain, these are ancient battle techniques and yet there true today. If we don't have the money or the resources we become weak if our troops are away we have left ourselves open. This scares me a lot more. Oh and while your at it maybe watch Red Dawn and listen carefully to the countries mentioned I belive something like that is far closer if we elect the wrong man this time around.

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Posted By: Joel High
Date: 2007-12-21 10:09:43

Do you realize right now our borders are wide open for terrorist to smuggle bombs into THIS country. We would be much safer if the military was home guarding our borders and not Iraq's borders.

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Posted By: Roger Hermann
Date: 2007-12-21 10:55:05

You apparently don't get it. We want to be free. Free to succeed or fail on our own. Free not to pick up the newspaper and see more dead caused by our intervention around the world. Free not to see billions of dollars wasted on foolish projects and programs just for the benefit of corporate insiders. Free not to have our currency destroyed by the bankers in order for them to strip us of what little we have left. Free not to have our government spy on us and torture people in secret prisons.

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Posted By: Ron Paul Fanatic
Date: 2007-12-21 11:39:37

"I don't need government to protect me from terrorists. I need the Constitution to protect me from government." - Dee Ann Guzman

Four thumbs up !! (Two from my feet)

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Posted By: Kate
Date: 2007-12-21 16:27:40

You forgot to mention the republicans of 30 or more yrs like myself whom has "Always dressed Up i n republican clothing". You seem to have been so brainwashed to the nanny state that you can't see life after the welfare/warfare state. Please go to www.Ronpaul2008.com and never stop educating yourself. Life is good!...Really.  :)

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Posted By: Colette von Hessen
Date: 2007-12-21 19:03:24

What Dee Ann said... I've been Republican since I was 18 (and knew I would be before I could even vote). Reagan conservative here. I want my party back, so I'm voting for Ron Paul. It's really a no-brainer if you are an actual conservative.

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Posted By: Richard Troost
Date: 2007-12-22 08:32:40

I hope you really don't get paid to write these such uneducated point of view stories. If you noticed from the comments, the readers don't even support your point of view. I hate to say it, but I think you may need a reading list too. I am not sure if you can actually read, so I won't waste anymore of my time. I just know if you did know how to read, you might spend more of your time reading, and less time writing such garbage. Vote Ron Paul 2008

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Posted By: Mark Reynolds
Date: 2007-12-22 09:20:09

If Ron Paul doesn't become our next president, I am concerned that a lot of my fellow Americans who have been taking the Constitution seriously lately might start looking into the REAL REASON for the SECOND AMENDMENT and put it into EFFECT.

Ron Paul would be a lot better alternative.

Time for change. How can it be any worse having a guy who believes the folks who founded this country had a bit of sense ?

I haven't voted in 25 years because I don't vote for the lesser of two evils and I refuse to vote for a bunch of slackers that refuse to adhere to their oaths of office. Why play a game where the players all ignore the rules? Well, I registered and if Ron Paul makes it to the point where I can pick him on my PAPER BALLOT, he gets my vote. Heck, I might see if he'll have a radical constitutionalist on his Secret Service team!

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Posted By: rhys
Date: 2007-12-23 09:26:47

There was a reason we split the CIA away from the FBI. There is no reason that the CIA should function outside of the DoD. If it was under the DoD, the CIA would have Congressional oversight. The problem with these massive beaurocracies is that they do not keep us safer. They are so large, unweildy, and secretive that all they do is undermine each other and the American peoples safety.

Terrorists want to kill me, and my government is doing their best to insight terrorist yearnings. I would feel safer if my government would stop throwing stones at hornet nests.

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Posted By: european
Date: 2007-12-23 11:01:50

I agree on the risky ideas if the statements you wrote down were 100% correct. Luckely they aren't. Ron Paul doesnt want to abolish the CIA as a whole. He just wants it to focus on intel gathering and stop the torturing and stop overthrowing independent governments.

Check here this mornings interview of Ron Paul at Meet the press:

Part 1 of 4:

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Part 2 of 4:

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Part 3 of 4:

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Part 4 of 4:

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And I guess/hope we can welcome you as a supporter in this worldwide growing movement.

greetings from The Netherlands (yes that little dot somewhere in Europe).

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Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2007-12-23 18:03:12

Thanks for the video selections european,

I took a look and it seems that Ron Paul doesn't intend to completely eliminate the right to gather information on threats to our country. In matter of fact he is right to say that we have gathered so much information that its impossible to act on it all. that comes from an intrinsic inefficiency in government!

Happy Holidays all!

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Posted By: european
Date: 2007-12-25 05:07:24

your welcome Christopher,

Happy Hollidays to you too :) 

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Posted By: Marc Symonds
Date: 2008-01-15 18:47:30

Your quote "That means terrorist organizations and corrupt foreign governments can smuggle tools and weapons against our interests at any time." There already is foreign government doing exactly that. Anyone wanna guess? http://www.justacitizen.com/

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Posted By: Marc Symonds
Date: 2008-01-15 18:56:27

Your quote "That means terrorist organizations and corrupt foreign governments can smuggle tools and weapons against our interests at any time." There already is foreign government doing exactly that. Anyone wanna guess? This is the story of Sibel Edmonds, who the mainstream media is trying to ignore. http://www.justacitizen.com/

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Posted By: Mark
Date: 2008-01-20 13:57:14

I think the previous posts have summarized my feelings nicely except for one thing:

 Could you honestly have made this argument to the face of Jefferson or Washington? If they had your attitude, where would we be right now? 

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

- Samuel Adams

 

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Posted By: Colleen Hendrick
Date: 2008-01-27 21:06:01

So you don't "trust" Dr. Paul? It sounds to me like you are afraid of the unknown VS. the known with a touch of brain washing along the way. You're not sure how he will pull off this new government; a government where we get to keep much more of our own money; a government who allows us to make our own decisions at the State level; a government who doesn't sell us out to a global economy; a government who actually does what it was meant to do by taking care of the military...and actually having the funds to do so without borrowing it from China; a government who will actually resolve the Social Security problem in the short and long run. "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. - James Madison You would rather "trust" in the "known". Trust in a government who makes you work for free at least 3 months out of each year in order to pay off your taxes. A government who has to borrow all the money it needs to run OUR country from China because they already spent every last dollar they had. I won't even go into what they spent it on. Trust in a government whose agencies are inefficient, ineffective, corrupt, and even ignored by its own government. Trust in a government you think is off saving our country from the bad men of the world. Pumping billions of dollars of money we don't even have into other non democratic, nuclear wielding, governments so these other governments will help save us. Save us from drugs, terrorists, communists, nukes, and well basically the governments I just mentioned the ones were giving all the money to. Meanwhile OUR borders go unsecured, OUR military cant catch its breath and the bad men came through OUR open gates and flew OUR planes into OUR buildings. So far our government has done a smashing job of keeping us safe. "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson Some of these great agencies you mention go out and manipulate things around the world in order to support a foreign policy of the day. They help bring down leaders and put others in their place. How many times have we had to go out and get rid of the one we helped put in? How many zillions of dollars did we spend on Korea, Vietnam, Beirut, Panama, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Iraq x 2? Yes, we really squared those countries away. They are all great democracies now (we created Panama so that doesnt count). "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence -- it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master!" - George Washington This government, this monster, we let it out of OUR control while we were busy chasing the American dream. And now it has sold that dream down the toilet and made us their slaves in the process. The pen is mightier than the sword. - Edward Bulwer-Lytton We can take back control. At first we will have to play their game and raise a lot of money in order to get heard; that is all the media understands. But the money should come from We The People not greedy corporations with special Interests. It is just as important to get the word out. We need to point out the insanity of this situation and the loss of our Constitutional Rights with each stroke of our governments pen.

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