Topic: Collectivism
Emma Goldman has a Conversation with the Illuminati Is the illuminati just a conspiracy theory? Do they even exist at all? And if they did exist, what would be their purpose?by Emma Goldman
(libertarian)
Monday, December 15, 2008
This is an interview I had recently. I haven't checked any of the facts of this case, but since I am opinionated, I'll opine that it's interesting enough to be considered one person's coherent world view. Bracketed text encloses my additional comments.
Emma Goldman, 21-ARA, Silk Revolution Founder
EG - So can you tell me your name, or who you represent?
NP - You can call me by my initials, NP. I represent the Illuminati.
EG - Are N.P. your real initials?
NP - No. They are the initials of my code name. Neo Prometheus.
EG - Is the illuminati you represent a real organization?
NP - No, not in literal terms. We are a secret society. There is no brick and mortar location where you could say "this is where the illuminati plot and scheme".
EG - So if the illuminati doesn't exist as an explicit organization, but does exist, can you tell me who's in it?
NP - The illuminati is any person that accepts five tenets or principles. 1) ability as a value, 2) efficacy of one's reasoning mind, 3) that one is responsible for their own destiny, 4) that one has free will and that their own will is the primary determinant of their destiny, and finally that 5) 'who created the universe?' is a meaningless and unanswerable question... and also is a question that need not be answered to live a happy and fulfilling life.
EG - So it is an individual concept, not an actual organization?
NP - Right.
EG - So can you tell me who are in the fraternity of illuminati?
NP - You're still thinking in terms of an organization. Not even the secret society is an organized fraternity. The illuminati is simply that aggregate of individuals all over the globe, where each person is unaware of the total number of the illuminated individuals who, when considered as a whole, form the illuminati.
EG - So is each illuminati individual an atheist?
NP - Not necessarily. They can be theistic, atheistic, or deists. Look at the enlightenment principles I gave that expressed the illuminati world view. To the degree that each person comes to understand and accept those principles as true after looking at the facts of reality, only those who see and understand the fifth tenet as true are able to say they don't subscribe to the theistic "beyond reality" creator world view. But it's more than eschewing theism. Most people can't accept tenet four, including self-described atheists! A true illuminati understands that nothing in the natural world can prevent effective use of one's mind to guide one's life and destiny. A person who lives by the first four principles is considered 80% illuminated, and isn't a fully courageous illuminati. A person who accepts the fifth but drops the fourth principle is considered 80% illuminated, and isn't fully rational.
EG - But how can you be a theistic illuminati, when you consider the metaphysical question of a creator to be meaningless and unanswerable?
NP - In reality, you can't. But you can pretend to be! As you know, theism is the world's most profitable institution, in terms of collecting money, minds, and spirits.
EG - So you have honest illuminati and dishonest illuminati?
NP - Exactly. The dishonest ones we now call neocheaters. The final battle on earth being waged today isn't between the god and the devil, it's between the most powerful honest and dishonest illuminati on earth.
EG - Whoa. One thing at a time. Why are dishonest illuminati called neocheaters?
NP - Because they cheat others via mysticism to garner unearned values. And that is the definition of neocheating. It's a newly identified form of cheating, discovered only a few decades ago, by an honest illuminati. A neocheater appears to be a benefactor or a friend, but drains or harms or kills others.
EG - What is mysticism?
NP - Any promotion or acceptance of the unreal as the real. It's any attempt to fake reality. For example, a neocheater who tells someone that a god exists, and collects a fee, is the promoter of mysticism. The person who pays a fee for that story that a god exists is the acceptor of mysticism. Notice that the promoter and the acceptor are both faking reality.
EG - So being an illuminati doesn't automatically guarantee one is leading a moral life?
NP - That's a good question. Not necessarily. Those five tenets don't cover ethics: they don't tell you what is good or evil, or even if there is such a thing as good or evil.
EG - So if being an illuminati is amoral, it still will lead to problems in civilization if everyone was 100% illuminated.
NP - Exactly, even if everyone counted on their own minds and didn't consider the existence of a god as relevant to daily living, we would still not have an ethical foundation on which to rely for a civilized and prosperous existence.
EG - That's the problem that theists often level at atheism, right?
NP - Exactly. That the concepts of good and evil are necessary to lead a moral life. Which happens to be correct, but not for the reasons the theists give.
EG - But Ayn Rand was an atheist who had clearly defined the standard of good and evil.
NP - Precisely! She was the world's first ATHEIST MORAL [ANTI-RACIST] illuminati. She identified correctly that man's (the individual human) life is the rational standard of value. Certain American founders were the world's first DEIST MORAL illuminati.
EG - So is the final battle you mentioned - between the honest and dishonest illuminati - really a battle between American illuminati and the European illuminati?
NP - Very observant. As America is the only country on earth founded on the enlightenment principles of individual rights, you could properly guess that would be the case.
EG - But is that the case?
NP - Spiritually? Yes. But geographically, no. In today's era of global travel and finance, the most powerful illuminati are using the entire world as their chessboard, not merely the American and European continents.
EG - You're saying that all honest illuminati are spiritually aligned to the American ideals of individualism, and that the dishonest ones are aligned to the ideals of the old European feudal system?
NP - Very observant.
EG - So the NWO conspiracy boobs that run around fearful about an illuminati enslaving the human race, they are correct, or not?
NP - The honest illuminati are using that as one tool in the chess match to dismantle the neocheating illuminati power structures.
EG - So you're saying that the NWO will be the result of the battle between the honest and dishonest illuminati, and that it could end bad or good for the common person.
NP - Precisely. Our chess match is literally a game of life or death. The enlightenment versus the dark ages. If the good guys lose, then life on earth will turn very bad for a great many people, and billions will be killed.
EG - But if the good guys win?
NP - It will be an amazing day on earth, because very quickly every liberated country on earth would be refounded on the enlightenment principle of individual rights.
EG - What about over population and environmental pollution?
NP - Those are the mystical tools the dishonest illuminati are using against us, to manipulate the population against us. We've solved pollution problems, the overpopulation myth isn't a real issue at this time.
EG - What about instinct?
NP - That's really a tool that dishonest illuminati promote (mysticism) to keep people from becoming illuminated.
EG - So, I will presume that organized religion is a tool of the dishonest illuminati?
NP - You are correct. However, it is racism that is the most powerful tool of mysticism used today, not religion.
EG - So is it fair to say that businessmen are in the honest illuminati, and aristocrats, religionists, and Marxist-Leninists are the dishonest illuminati?
NP - In principle you are right. But unfortunately reality isn't that clear-cut. There are agents and double agents for the honest side and the dishonest side.
EG - Because the dishonest types are represented in the business world?
NP - Exactly. With the industrial revolution, religion was displaced by business as the most profitable world institution. So the dishonest illuminati have their agents in the business world of today.
EG - So, I'm afraid, but excited, to ask: Is 2008 the beginning of the final battle between the honest and dishonest illuminati? In other words, is the final battle going to take place in a global economic fashion, rather than a global warring one?
NP - Wars always begin with economics. You are correct that this year is the beginning of the end of one side or the other. Either the honest illuminati will win, or the dishonest illuminati will win.
EG - You can't tell me how it's going to end, can you?
NP - If I could, I would, because we'd have won the war already Emma.
EG - Thank you Neo, for your time.
NP - Thank you, Emma! By the way, the illuminati uses the film industry to not only make a profit, but to illustrate the chess match that we've been playing over the past 100 years.
EG - What are some of them?
NP - I'll speak for the good guy illuminati, and give you the most recent examples: "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", "Star Wars ep. IV", "Terminator", "The Matrix" trilogy, "Pirates of the Caribbean" trilogy, Most recently, it was "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull". ["The Good Shepherd" might be another one. Update! 12-17-2008 I'm adding the new movie 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' to the list, and will write an article about decoding that move later.]
EG - Are you saying that everyone that worked on those films and marketed those films is part of the illuminati?
NP - No. I'm not making any claims about any individual being an illuminati who happened to work on those films.
EG - What about the directors of those films?
NP - You could ask them if they accept the five tenets of the illuminati, but even if they do, that won't mean much. They are public and well known individuals already. The most powerful illuminati in the world are rich and anonymous, not rich and famous. But as I said at the beginning of this interview, I represent only myself, as an illuminati.
EG - So now that I know what the illuminati is, I guess that means I'm one of them!
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Posted By: Jahfre Fire Eater
Date: 2008-12-16 06:45:56
Oh Emma I'm so sorry!
I'm sorry to see you admit this in public. Of course, you know what happens next, right? Alex Jones will show up with a bull horn and a camera man. All your neighbors will know.
Once you've been added to the fact-base of Jones' fear-oriented mob mentality there is no escape. Any attempt to deflect this attention will be seen as an illuminati trick. Your life as you know it is over.
I can see Satan has make a new move try to keep the illuminati secret, but it is no more a secret, now wether NP (Neo Prometheus) is an agent of the Illuminati or not, he has tried his best to hide the truth, but I want you all to know, all of you that the Illuminati is real, it is the human fugure of Satan's government on earth. My brother was a member, even if I have never get into it, because you can't get it like this unless you were chosen, but I know the necessary.Now you all folks reading this, know that the Illuminati is not a conspiracy of theory, it is real, the problem is their lodges, they are so secret, no journalist can really cover a real story, but they are some ex-Illuminati out there who can tell the truth, even if some are scared.The truth is they do exist and they are real and they represent the human face of Satan's government on earth.
part 5: " 'who created the universe?' is a meaningless and unanswerable question... and also is a question that need not be answered to live a happy and fulfilling life." is dealt with in the context of all that has value is stuff and interpersonal relationships, and implies that any sense of a spiritual connection is false. I see no evidence that supports that. Certainly, many people are happier and more productive while having what they consider a spiritual connection with existence. That does not mean that they give money or goods to a spiritual leader.
By the same token, giving stuff to such a leader and feeling better is not a bad deal. I do not see why it is any worse than giving money to any other type of mental councilor.
Much is made of the term "free will" which, as nearly as I could tell, was not defined, and other than what your cousin Wilfred drew up for you as a death document, is not defined, and thus does not exist. Explain free will to someone with PTSD. Does Kim Peek have free will? How about Alex Prior and other similarly gifted geniuses?
My bottom line. I get very uncomfortable when someone creates a philosophy or bases their existence on highly ambigious if not meaningless terms or concepts such as "free will" How exactly would free will be different from random noise? Do gays employ free will to choose their sexual orientation? And speaking of that --- gay I mean.
I like the use of the term instinct. Only someone profoundly ignorant of complex animals, would call instinct, a well known concept to describe clearly defined sets of behavior --- like sexual behavior, mysticism.
It is obvious that you have probably never given birth vaginally. If you had, and were not drugged into stupor, you would have probably become aware of the well documented chemical changes that occurred in your brain. It is called the mommy switch and is well known to occur in almost all mammals.
Notice my use of words like probably. When speaking of humans there are few if any universals. I will reserve comments on the biological underpinnings of good, evil, fairness, altruism etc for my own article. To the extent that we understand such terms, they are common, well defined, measurable in real time in the brain, occur in primates, are hard wired and came into being to enhance the survival of both the individual and the species (and you know, that word that you hate, the tribe or community).
Why was this interview beneficial? I am only left bewildered at the naivete demonstrated so casually by your admission.
I beleive I know what the original intent was to release this interview as you envisioned, yet I can only imagine how this might be interpreted by others. Perhaps considereing an addendum or follow up could shift the unnecessary focus you placed on being \'illuminated.\'
Quite ridiculous and ignorant, there is most certainly deception involved. Yours, his; a clear demonstration of psychological problems, quite frankly sociopathic behavior. I have contempt for others who act as if they are in the know while deceiving others in the process, being complicit in the intellectual rational de-evolition of others.
You haven\'t checked any of the facts of this case?
WHY OH WHY WRITE THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Why not write a short story? Then, it could really be deliberate.
Forget Alex Jones, he would not know how to ream you.
To define sociopath, you first have to properly define socio, then follow that path.
God = Good
Evil = Devil
See the missing link here ladies and gentlemen? A single letter. Makes you wonder who the real sociopaths are in the world. Those who use double speak on you... the art of saying one thing while meaning quite another (or best yet, its complete opposite). That is called lying. Good people do not lie to innocents and friends, but have no compunction whatsoever lying to the guilty and sworn enemies. The master neocheaters of the world (you know who you are, and we, the illuminati, do too).
I am Emma Goldman. The ghost of christmas has passed.
Peace and glory be to god-man.... the good-men on earth.
Posted By: Old Tera Libran
Date: 2008-12-21 01:47:29
Sounds like an interview with a member of Neotech. They base their philosphy on gambling and forever gripe about parasites and laziness. They were involved in the Libertarian movement in the 80's 90's, and at least 1 member may be illuminated. He's smart enough. Made off with a ton of money and now gambles in Vegas.
This old portal illuminati.org belonged to a guy who had a funny domain name "allahsatansbitch.". Max was a disinformation agent, went totally insane and yeah may have some skill. Sent out random emails from the Bavarian Illuminati (some about the Verichip stock) which I don't think they appreciated. He got thrown off a bridge in Nashville. Al hail Maximus Illuminatus!
May Max rest in peace. Wish I could find the piece he wrote on dark lords and telepathy. --I always thought it was the thing that did him in.
For all you Neotechers out there, looks like Atlas Shurgged is going to be a movie. Brad Pitt will star as a nod to Frank Lloyd Wright, Rand's inspiration. And the movie comes at an interesting time in history as industry is faltering. Read the last line of the book. (Gotta love the timing.)
“But years later, when we saw the lights going out, one after another, in the great factories that had stood like mountains for generations, when we saw the gates closing and the conveyer belts turning still, when we saw the roads growing empty and the streams of cars draining off, when it began to look as if some silent power were stopping the generators of the world and the world was crumbling quietly...” And the culmination of their efforts: “The plane was above the peaks of the skyscrapers when suddenly, with the abruptness of a shudder, as if the ground had parted to engulf it, the city had disappeared from the face of the earth. It took them a moment to realize that the panic had reached the power stations- and the lights of New York had gone out.” The men of the mind had taken over the world."
And to the Grand Master of the Bavarian Illuminati. It's not nice to threaten the potential help. -Just an FYI. "We will be seeing you soon?" And to that I say...picture the big white screen, yes bright white as I am sure you check into this thread on occasion cleaning up the PR mess Max made for you all...
"Mult salutari fratilor si surorilor nostri illuminat din toata lumea."
I'll take your din and raise you 1 degree. I'm done thawing out, maybe overcooked. And if you are not careful, the lesser bretheren will hoover your mother f-ing lodges capiche? Out of spite I am doing an entire tiled floor in all white. Picture a dinosaur forever eating the eyeballs out of the eyesockets of your pyramids and shitting out crosses. The stark fist has arrived my friends. ;)
People seem amazed at Obama's picks regard Rick Warren and Secretary Gates, but thats when you can spot the Illuminati members. The truth is, the evangelicals and their cabal, the CNP, are the main force of the Bavarian Illuminati Agenda, and we all know it.
Well, I don't know what to think. My first reaction and my strongest impulse is to think this is just evil crap. But, after considering this, I now believe that smart(enlightened) people can and are self deluded into some sort of ego trip that really gives them "legend in their own mind" status. I will just be dumb and un illuminated, thank you. You wack jobs believe in your own illumination all you want. That facts are you are flesh and blood just like the rest of us and none of us are escaping this world with our lives. The illuminati(and I use that term loosely) put their pants on just like me, have morning breath, occasional gas, the need to scratch their butts occasionally, cavities, the requirements of water and food intake, and are subject to all the diseases that I am. So, call yourselves what you will, but you're just plain ordinary human to me. Really! get over yourselves.
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