Topic: Barack Obama
Barack, what a shame It is bad enough that we are forced into this two party dictatorship, but now many Americans believe this utopian rhetoric that Obama spits.by -savoy
(libertarian)
Wednesday, November 5, 2008
So..you people who think we are going to have change in our government because Obama won last night, are going to be severely dissatisfied. There was no major difference between the two candidates, they were placed there by the controlling elite to maintain the establishment. First off it is not some mass conspiracy, it is overt and blatantly palpable. It is the willing ignorance of society that has forced us to pick from McCain and Obama. Both McCain and Obama have the exact same foreign policy. Both Obama and McCain have no policy on paying off the national debt, nor plan on doing so. Both Obama and McCain voted for the Bailout of Wall Street, giving our money to rich elitists. Don't worry though, because there will be copious amounts of these so called bailouts as we move through the next year, as the New World Order attempts to buy up all of the real wealth and resources.
How can someone who explicitly runs on a policy to eliminate the first amendment, (Fairness Doctrine) promise us change and hope? How can a person whose policy is one of invading Iran and Pakistan, also run on a platform of peace? How can a person run for president and promise "main street" money and give it to rich elitists, and still win? How can a person run on a platform of atrocities and create such powerful emotion and dedication? Simple, he lies to your faces, he uses this utopian rhetoric to capitalize on your fears and perpetuate your lackadaisical need for truth. There is not going to be a utopia, there is not going to be universal health care. There is only going to be more death and destruction and expansion of this empirical industrial war complex.
Remember when Hitler came to power promising to bring down big business and end Germany's economic downfall, well, this is the same thing. Hitler didn't run on a campaign of fascism, the Nazi party made a fake enemy and used that to gain power. We already have our fake enemy, (middle easterners) and Obama has a Hitler like following. He enjoys speaking to these huge crowds that chant his rhetoric right back to him, this is amazingly like 1930's Germany. Seriously he wants to stop political dissent on the radio with the Fairness Doctrine. He seriously wants to invade Pakistan. He seriously wants to create the CNSF Civilian National Security Force, in which our youth would be indoctrinated to turn in anyone with anti government ideology. He seriously keeps his birth certificate a secret, if you have nothing to hide then show it! He was seriously financed by Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, and huge Corporate Attorneys, the same people he says he is fighting against. This is enough people, I am not going to allow this expansion of torture and mass murdering to occur. All you have to do is wake up, open your eyes and see what is going on! Quit being so damned ignorantly stubborn, then, maybe, we might actually see some change.
-savoy
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Posted By: Jake, the champion of the constitution
Date: 2008-11-06 02:47:20
Dear -savoy,
Recommend The Coming of the Third Reich by Robert Evans.
Afraid that Hitler's rise to power was nowhere near as simple as just scapegoating the Jews, trade unionists, Communists, etc. and chanting to large crowds. (Although this scapegoating sure helped out after the Nazis took over the Reichstag - divide and conquer does them little justice, it was more like steamroll and enslave)
For one thing, the Nazis capitalized on the malcontent from the destruction of the economy, the Weimar hyperinflation, Versailles and much, much more.
Posted By: Matt the peaceful rebel
Date: 2008-11-06 09:12:03
Kipper, this is not a declaration of war and I think that it shows an ignorance on your part to see it as such. If anything it is a declaration against war, and no it is not directed to all readers of nolan chart, it is specifically directed at the blind votes for Obama. I will gladly take your thumbs down and you will gladly keep surrendering personal liberties for false security.
Jake, I have heard of that book, I believe I heard Robert Evans do an interview with Alex Jones no too long ago as well. I know it is more complex than just making a fake enemy and capitalizing on monetary fear, however these tactics are being employed. The Bankers are doing the exact same thing here as happened in the Weimar Republic, this is how they buy up all the wealth and create a servitudial poor society. They are printing more and more money and stealing what little value is left of our dollar.
The reason you come to such impossible conclusions is because your analysis is as flawed as a piece of bauxite!
To say that Obama and McCain had the same foreign policy ideas is like saying that Mickey Mouse and Daffy Duck are both cartoon characters! There are LOADS of differences. Obama wants to get out of Iraq, McCain wants to "win"; Obama wants to meet with foreign leaders, McCain wants to have "preconditions". Blah, blah, blah, blah.
To say that neither had intentions of paying off the National Debt is like saying that no one knows how to live forever! After GW Bush added trillions to the National Debt with his idiotic policies, you want the President to place that as a priority? There is no need to START with the National Debt; just to manage it will be an accomplishment.
The bailout was a necessity! Every country in the world went the same way. It was either a bailout or a painful, agonizing, relentless meltdown. The rich boys have been considerably restrained, but the important effort was to free up some liquidity.
There is no effort to eliminate the first amendment. But, to implement the "fairness doctrine" on public airwaves is the only way to stop the Limbaughs and Hannitys from promoting assassinations! Those two are as contentious and crude as a Professional Wrestler! Throw in Billy Cunningham and Jerry Doyle and you've got enough venom to spit on us ALL.
Putting Iran and Pakistan in check WILL promote peace. At present, they're stirring up all they can. That's how you promote peace by advocating aggressive action against those countries.
You're premises are all wrong, and your conclusions are pitifully lacking in any insight. You just want to cry and howl about things like a dog at the moon, so you contrive a bunch of observations that are about as clear as milk!
Why don't you try to see more accurately and honestly through your own distorted glasses so that you can properly add some comments, not just bellow at the moon! Whooooa is me! Whoooooa is me!
Posted By: Matt the Peaceful Rebel
Date: 2008-11-06 10:05:14
Master C,
Apparently you have given into the same propaganda that the rest of the world did. You think that everything Bush did is going to be reversed by Obama, Wrong. Obama supports the PATRIOT Act, he supports warrantless wiretaps. He does not want to remove the bases in Iraq. He wants to invade Pakistan and Iran. He supports the ethnic cleansing that Israel is doing by oppressing the Palestinians. His wife sits on the board at the CFR. His top campaign contributors were banks and corporate attorneys, that he talks about fighting. What does it take for you to realize what is happening?
What do you mean "putting Iran and Pakistan in check" who are you to put anyone in check, what did they do to us? NOTHING! They are scapegoats for the expansion of the war mongering empire.
The Fairness Doctrine is an attack on our free speech so we cannot question the motives of government. I don't agree with Limbaugh and Hanity at all, however I know that we have a first amendment for a reason. That is to be able to speak out against the establishment to inform people that are brainwashed by mainstream media such as yourself. They have not and will not call for the assassination of anyone, they would be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder. To say that at all is completely ignorant.
"The bailout was a necessity!" Wow! So it was a necessity that we print a trillion dollars out of thin air boosting the rate of this hyperinflation? It was a necessity to give this failing elitist company tax payer dollars so that they may have a junket the next week that cost 400k+?
Wake up brother, this is history repeating itself, I am not howling at the moon, I am trying to stop tyrrany and oppression before it is too late. The fact that you call my truth about Obama pitifully lacking insight and dismiss it as crying, just shows that you are one of the blindfolded drones out there that will inevitably vote away our freedoms one by one until there is nothing left.
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Watch out, everyone! The sky is falling!"
You're a HOOT, man! Must be Irish.
We all support the Patriot Act if it's implemented properly. Obama knows that, as does anyone who believes in fighting insurgency and insurrection. You (so-called) Libertarians are always fighting against the WRONG things. It isn't taking away your liberty and freedom to hunt down terrorists and criminals. You just have to have a court order to do it. Bush insisted that he didn't have to. That's like saying that you distrust LOCKS ON YOUR DOORS or PASSWORDS for the ATM machine. Maybe you should show your real patriotism and keep your doors unlocked and give us your ATM password!
The "Fairness doctrine" makes sure that the public use of the airwaves doesn't allow the ranting and lying of one group without a countervailing balance. It doesn't PREVENT free speech, it BALANCES free speech. Read my article(s) on Talk Radio, and you'll see the kind of hate and bile that comes out of those programs.
The bailout was a necessity! Wise up! That's like saying that we don't need a fire department when your house is on fire ~ we'll just let it burn down. It will save us a LOT of money and a LOT of manpower. Like that solution?
You're a werewolf, Savoy! Hoooooooowling at the moooooooon!
Posted By: matt the peaceful rebel
Date: 2008-11-06 13:18:50
Master C, you are obviously in some state of denial about what is really happening, you cannot explain why Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan chase are the largest contributors to both McCain and Obama. You can't explain the support for Israel and the provoking of Iran and Pakistan. You're only method of argument is ridicule and name calling. Well, my friend, or not, I will be here to say I told you so when marshal law is enacted, but you will probably be supporting it and calling me crazy for not accepting it. Maybe they will "BALANCE" out these discussions on Nolan Chart too, so anyone who speaks out about tyranny will be arrested. You have a prosperous and obedient life worshiping your government Master C.
Someday you'll learn that you support (contribute, work for) those who represent your views. If Goldman-Sachs, et. al., are contributing to Presidential candidates, why WOULDN'T you expect that? Money talks, Savoy. But, it isn't ILLEGAL at all. Not anymore than YOU umpiring your son/daughter's baseball/soccer match. If you can't be impartial, then you're just a cheater. Because Obama and McCain ~ and LOTS of others, I'm sure ~ accepted LEGAL contributions from Goldman-Sachs, et. al, doesn't make ANY of them bad or corrupt.
To DENY them the right to contribute would be to DENY them the freedom that you (so-called) Libertarians claim to defend!
You make several valid points, most notably the numerous contradictions that are the essence of our new Fuhrer. But the rubber is about to meet the road, and then we will see what the largely clueless electorate has inflicted on our nation this time. It's not their fault. It's a capacity thing. The easily led masses of section 8 Americans would elect a purple ET as long as he promised more of something for nothing. I expect more of the same old thing, with enough superficial difference to mimic a contrast between the two major parties. Time will tell.
Posted By: supporter of freedom
Date: 2008-11-06 22:45:48
Matt the peaceful rebel it is nice to finally hear of someone who believes as i do. And is not decieved by society...keep up what you are doing believe it or not there are many of us like you who believe as you do, who believe "this is history repeating itself, I am not howling at the moon, I am trying to stop tyrrany and oppression before it is too late. The fact that you call my truth about Obama pitifully lacking insight and dismiss it as crying, just shows that you are one of the blindfolded drones out there that will inevitably vote away our freedoms one by one until there is nothing left. " People are unfortunantly taught or brain washed any more to Never question your authorities, never question you leaders, dont question just do what you can do get by do what is good for you and keep moving on....people i feel dont really believe they have those freedoms we faught so hard to get long ago. Have you read the Federalist Papers? try to find those in your library try to find those anywhere for that matter....30 yrs ago you could find them in any library they were encouraged to be read...not any more, those papers articles state what our fore fathers faught so hard to break away from. what type of government was decieving the people, it was those few who were not brain washed those few who questioned, who stood up for freedom and put there lives on the line for it that gave us Real Freedom. that same gov that is described in the Federalist Papers is coming back if not already here...We as a people must stop it before it is to late... we as a people have the power if we would only you unite, why else would they work so hard to give we the people bull crap numbers try to tell us that everything is alright that our economy is giong to be ok, the numbers they give us are bogus, if only we as a people could unite our voice we could take back the gov. that is becoming out of control where we the peole no longer have a real say, sure we can vote, but when the media, and our leaders dont give us all the facts when they butter things up to make them seem better, they are Deceiving us. and our word gets divided we as a people become divided those who are blinded and those who see through the bull crap. we as a people Must do something or your right, you and my rights will be voted away and you and I will be the ones that are scorned and cast out, but as long as we stand for TRUTH and Freedom thats all that matters.
By the way, I do listen to Alex Jones, and I support a lot of what he says and does. I have seen a lot of "Fabled Enemies" on YouTube when he posted it there.
But, you can't fight the Bilderbergers and the Illuminati and the New World Order guys. Too much money, too much power, and too much influence.
All we can do is resist them when they come to kill us. I'll give them a good fight, I promise!
Posted By: Matt the peaceful Rebel
Date: 2008-11-07 09:14:43
Master C,
The solution to defeating the NWO is fairly simple, all we must do is expose them, which is what I have devoted my life too. I get ridiculed day after day for trying to inform people, they call me a conspiracy theorist, a kook, and as of recent, chicken little. The problem is not the new world order, the problem is society. The NWO is basically just a symptom. Society are the ones that are willingly ignorant and complacent, which leads to us electing criminal government who implement their illegal fractional reserve systems. This fractional reserve system is designed to consolidate wealth and increase poverty. Read the federal reserves implementation manual, Modern Money Mechanics, it shows how money is created out of debt. "That is what our money system is. If there were no debts in our money system, there wouldn't be any money." Marriner S. Eccles, Chairman and Governor of the Federal Reserve Board.
There is no need to lay down and relinquish our lives to the control of these people. All we need to do is stop participating in their game, and then they have nothing.
You're a dreamer! These groups have been around since the 1700's. Some think their roots go even farther back ~ to the Holy Grail, for instance.
You aren't going to stomp them out by ANYTHING you do. People have even burned them at the stake to wipe them out. Secret Societies to take over the world will ALWAYS be with us.
The only way to END their suppression and influence, is by becoming "essences" of ourselves as I wrote about. Once we've reached THAT state, NO ONE can touch us!
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