Topic: 1st Amendment
Anonymous Hate Group Targets Governor Sarah Palin Just days ago I wrote about Anonymous threatening and harassing Dr. Schaper and myself. Today they are harassing Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.by Jonathon Barbera
(libertarian)
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Just days ago I wrote about the Anonymous Hate Group threatening and harassing Dr. Schaper and myself. In addition to the typical insults and threats, Google earth photos of both of our neighborhoods were posted to the internet.
Today Anonymous is harassing Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
Welcome to the club, Governor Palin. Dr. Schaper and myself understand your situation.
Governor Sarah Palin's yahoo e-mail was hacked and screenshots of her messages were made available.
More of this story available from The Huffington Post:
Anonymous is hurting freedom of speech. They are abusing their anonymity on the internet to harass others without consequence. With people like them abusing their freedoms, those freedoms are certain to be curbed in the future. Like always, it just takes the worst people in society to ruin it for everyone.
I hope Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin win the election. At least then someone in elected office will understand my "pain".
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And your problem Jonathon is you lump all of anonymous in one bunch. The anonymous who protests against scientology is not the anonymous who did this.
And again, you are complaining about what anonymous has done to you when you in fact did the same thing to me.
Google " Jonathon Barbera and Jerald"
Lets wait and let the facts come out before we make any judgements here. We really don't know for sure if anonymous was behind this or just a group claiming to be anonmous.
No, Jerald, I never posted your address or a google earth photo of your neighborhood to the internet. Saying that I "did the same thing" to you is a complete fabrication.
As for what Anonymous did, you should start distancing yourself from them now before you are named as an accomplice.
Your getting mixed up Jonathon, the anti-scientology group known as Anonymous had nothing to do with the hacking of Governor Sarah Palin's yahoo e-mail account. There are many people/groups that go by the name of Anonymous. What about all the anonymous donations to charities through the years, will you attribute them to the anti-scientology group aswell?
That said, I don't believe anyone truly knows the full motivations behind this (except the ppl involved, obviously). Why would an anti-scientology non-organisation hack Palin's email? Are the hackers responsible Anonymous (with a capital A) or just anonymous or simply a remnant from the *chans, in which case it has utterly nothing to do with the anti-scientology non-organisation.
Another idea is conspiracy theory. Maybe CoS hired a hacker to do the dirty work, leaving an Anonymous calling card. Normally I don't give much credence to conspiracy theories, but this is scientology. Google Operation Freakout to see just how far CoS will go.
As an Anonymous man myself, hacking Palin's account is NOT useful, although the political fallout will no doubt be quite funny.
Posted By: Kevin Andrews
Date: 2008-09-17 15:33:08
It is ironic how Leftists and Liberals regularly accuse "neocons" and Conservatives of promoting their political will through intimidation and fear when the majority of hateful and Machiavellian groups reside left of center.
Jonathon, you are lumping Anonymous together into one group. You can't categorize all of us as one group, and you should be supporting Anonymous for trying to improve your "church".
Could you please clarify what it is that this group hates, and why Sara Palin is involved? Could you please clarify, as well, how it is that you know that this is the same group of people that has "attacked" you?
Ok let's be fair here. Terryeo is a member of scientology who also is a writer here and to fake a post with his name is just wrong. When we act like those we fight we risk becomeing them.
So why the heck do "non-Anons" call themselves Anons then, Jerald? I am talking about this screaming mob in front of scientology church buildings. Last time I listened they screamed "Anonymous - we are legion".
Like anybody has private E-mails in this country anymore. I think your indignation is justified but misplaced.Big brother is the greater evil to fear. And who thinks they have any security at Yahoo,anyway.
What the heck is all this "anonymous" crap going on here?
Talk about Malarkey!
Hacking emails and posting them online is a violation of anyone's privacy rights - no matter who it is.
BTW: AP refused to hand over the info they received to the FBI. If that is not biased, I don't know what is. Not that AP has been neutral in years - read Reuters for the truth.
As for an anonymous person changing the password - that person posted the new password online!
As for Scientology - is it considered a legitimate religious organization in the USA? I think it is, but I know that it is an illegal cult in many other countries.
What mob? Every single protest has been within the law and peaceful. Not one person protesting has been arrested. Sad to say the only people who have been arrested are member's of scienology.
Anyone can call themselves Anonymous. This bunch that hacked into Palin's e mails from what I read are from 4chan. The chan's don't like the Anonymous who are part of the fight against scientology. They have tried to take their site down in the past.
Different people, same common name. Funny how the press can tell the difference and scientology members can't or won't.
Anonymous groups or people don't always agree or even get along for that matter. Each person does what they think and has to pay the price for what they do. Don't lump the scientology critic anonymous's in with the others.
First question: What possible connection (if any) exists between Scientology - protesting anonymous. And Palin e-mail hacking anoymous.
Answer: Money. The first group is larger than the second group. But persons of the first group have demonstated computer expertise and persons of the second group have demonstrated computer expertise.
Anonymous (core persons) intend to make Money. First by establishing a group it can manipulate. And then, once established, by selling their services. Do you doubt for a microsecond there are people who will pay good money for information like Palin's email password, or to take a large website offline? Anonymous (core members) intend to wax wealthy. I received this message from the group:
Long has suppression been fought. First a vigilante group must form. Then it may begin to selling its services to the highest bidder. This is how people grew wealthy before governments adopted freedom of speech, religion, and written words. Anonymous too, is protected by these laws. If you wish to see them stand as they are, desist your action. If you wish to change them by force, you run your own risk.
Posted By: Jeniffer Hiss
Date: 2008-09-18 11:38:39
Darling, you fail to notice that in said e-mails she was conducting GOVERNMENT BUISNESS on a non GOVERNMENT e-mail. She is required by law to use to the GOVERNMENT EMAIL. Yes I think the ends justify the means in this case. Do you really want a two faced lieing covering up con artist as your VP? We've had enough of that in the past 8 years thank you very much.
I was on board with McCain/Palin until I read this article. I thought maybe the Republican Party had finally chosen someone I could vote for with confidence. But her behavior has lead me other wise.
Instead of making your posts be about nothing more then hating Anonymous. How about you look at the bigger picture.
And from reading all the comments, it looks like you need to do some research. Just from what is one this page and a quick google Anonymous can be anyone from any where. How can you be certain they are the Anti-Scientology kids who hacked her e-mail? It looks like you need to take your blinders off and learn how to think for yourself.
Posted By: No Name Supplied
Date: 2008-09-18 13:02:06
Terryeo, motivation for something does not have to be 'MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.' (Caps not mine).
So, got any sources for your theories?
Also, if Sarah Palin, a prominent public figure, decides to use an email account from Yahoo with her zip code as her password, then I can't help but have no sympathy whatsoever. I mean, that's really stupid. It doesn't even qualify as 'hacking'.
The thing is there are no e mails that show she did state business in that account. Not one has been posted. Instead all that I have seen is a couple of letters that had nothing to do with state business and her entire contact list and the phone number of her child.
And when did we start blaming someone for not protecting her account well enough?
Lets put the blame where it belongs here. On the one person who hacked the account. It has nothing at all to do with anonymous's fight against scientology.
Learn more about why anonymous and other critic's protest against the dark side of scientology.
Email account's at yahoo have a password recovery feature. That means, in the case you forgot your own password you can choose yourself a security question along with an answer to recover your password. Now the reason why Sarah Pallin's password was recovered by some random guy, is that she chose a very weak security question. She was stupid enough to chose "What is my ZIP code?" as her security question. Anyone can simply lookup her ZIP number by using google & wikipedia. So it is actually due to her own stupidity that her account got hacked. I mean it should be common sense, that you don't chose a security question for your email account that can be guessed so easily. Email accounts of persons get hacked every day due to weak security questions or passwords and the FBI never investigates this cases, because it is due to the own stupidity of the user.
Now this random guy posted pictures of his "hack" on a imageboard that is frequented by millions of users every day and now Jonathan Barbera basically claims that every user on this imageboard, including those, who might have visited this board in the past and started a project (called Project Chanology), that now has moved away from this board and spawned an independend project, are all responsible for this. He says "Anonymous" has hacked Sarah Pallin's email account. This is of course true in the sense, that an anonymous person has hacked her account, because the name of the person is unknown. The name "Anonymous" however also refers to the userbase of this imageboard and also to the userbase of the project Chanology that has started on this and others imageboards. How can the whole userbase of an imageboard can be made responsible for the actions of an individual, who just happened to post on that imageboard? The things that happen on 4chan and other imageboards are just words and pictures. Individuals are responsible for every actions that are taken and not automatically everyone who hangs out at 4chan or who protests Scientology under the label "Anonymous". Anyone can abuse his anonymity.So consequently, if you criticize these actions, just because they were done anonymously, you should criticize anonymity or the possibility to anonymously post messages on a messageboard in general and not just the anti-scientology protesters related Anonymous. But your sole intention is of course to defame anyone who is speaking out against your church. So, if mother theresa would say anything against Scientology, you would surely try to paint her as a criminal hate group, too.
Looks like scientology's ghost writers are caught out in another lie. It wasn't anonymous. It was some democratic senators son who is now under FBI investigation for the hack. Epic fail scientology. It wasn't 4chan. This sorry kid just posted it there because he wanted a scapegoat. Anonymous would not have been stupid enough to get caught this easily. This kid was a total amature. Anonymous doens't care about politics enough to get involved in that. What we do care about is scientology sticking their size tens in our freedom of speech and lulz. For the pulling of a stupid Tom Cruise video, the growing empire of scientology was lost.
No scientologist will ever admit to being wrong or that scientology ever instructed them wrong.
To them there is no wrong except anything that stands in the way of scientology dominance of the world. They have convinced themselves this will "free" the world some how. What they don't or won't or can't admit is that this would be a dictatorship of the worst kind imaginable, even in hell.
Fascinating. Really. To think for a microsecond that it is Palin's own fault that an individual spent hours at his computer to break into Palin's account is just plain wrong. The wrong action, sports fans, was hacking into Palin's account.
When someone puts their clenched hand into the space your head is occupying, who is responsibile? You, for having your head in the space the other guy claimed?
Get real. This is only the glisten off the iceburg. Within 10 years anonymous will have 100s of full time people hacking across the planet . They will be selling their product because international law poorly protects internet activity. These years are the golden years, the peaceful years, of internet. Because no solid group has attempted to do what Anonymous is doing, until now.
You obviously don't know anything about IT security. But this is no problem, because the whole mainstream media reporting about this incident has no clue either. Sarah Palin's choice of security questions was grossly negligent. It wasn't purely her own fault, though. It is also a fault of yahoo's badly design for even allowing such security questions.
@ hax0r. "It wasn't PURELY Palin's fault", you say. But you imply it was mostly Palin's fault, and was greatly Palin's fault.
The alternative that you imply SHOULD exist would destroy freedom. You imply it is a criminal's right to break security, You imply freedom should come at the cost of firewalls, mulitple passwords, stone walls and iron gates. Where every email and blog is necessarily protected by a vast network of expensive cyber-fortification. But that is not freedom at all, do you see? That is a game where good people build larger and larger fortifications that criminals freely attempt to break, free of criminal prosecution. Get a clue Mr. Hackey.
Freedom is wanted and enjoyed by most people, most of the time. If everyone had your attitude, freedom would be but a whisper in the wind. When you close your doors you are protected by law. When you use a single level of security, you are protected by law. When you post a sign on your property, "NO TRESPASSING", you are protected by law.
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