Bye Bye Barry by Joel S. Hirschhorn (Centrist Liberal Libertarian)
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A GOP in Melt-down; How a Ron Paul - Bob Barr LP Ticket Could Go All the Way ! With a Gop Convention on the verge of it's own 1968 melt-down. How two bona fide small government Conservatives, Paul/Barr, could outflank the corrupt big government Republicans, advance the freedom movement and capture the White House.by Paul Farris
(Libertarian)
Monday, May 12, 2008
With just days remaining before the opening gavel of the 2008 Libertarian Presidential Nominating Convention, 22-26 May, in Denver, will strategic thinking and bold action prevail to make this the year of liberty's dramatic and long-overdue renewal in America? There is an outside chance. And if the liberty and freedom movement can swing into action during the next several days, a political tsunami could be unleashed that would wash the corrupt neo-con Gop straight out to sea and put the prospect of liberty and true constitutional government front and center like never before in the modern era.
Consider for one moment the prospect of a current and a former Republican congressman, running together on the same LP ticket for the two highest offices in the land. 1) Mr. Paul, presently serving in the Republican party but also a life-time member of the LP, would be a presidential candidate with considerable name recognition; a soaring best-selling book; a hundred-thousand hard-core volunteers waiting in the wings to hit the street campaigning; devoted volunteers who gave Paul the record for the most money raised on the internet in a 24-hour period; and who sits on a bank account of about $5 million that could grow by a factor of twenty once he announces. 2) Mr. Barr, as vice-presidential candidate and a rising advocate of the liberty movement and now Libertarian Party member, who already has solid name recognition, a former US proscecutor, held in high-esteem by the conservative base for leading the committee that won the impeachment of a sitting president, one William Jefferson Clinton.
Running against the likes of Mr. Compromise himself, one John McCain, a Paul/Barr ticket could potentially out-fundraise McCain, and wind up capturing more votes from the republican base, an increasingly restless and fed-up lot, and gain enthusiastic support as well from liberty-minded democratic cross-overs.
We know, for sure, at this moment, that the sector of the republican base and some democrats, composed of language, culture, and secure borders conservatives, who subscribe to the well respected NumbersUSA and Alipac, who at present have absolutely no dog in this fight. They would soon realize that a Paul/Barr ticket would give them much more than they can get from open borders McBama or McClinton. There would simply be no comparison. As long as the LP purists, so often in attendance at the conventions, can hold their noses and realize that legal immigration is so vitally key, that with a favorite son like Ron Paul, it is off to the races and the White House is the limit.
Importantly, a Paul/Barr ticket in no fundamental way conflicts with the brush-fire Paul has ignited in those staunch supporters who are attempting to reform the Republican party from the grassroots up. Indeed, a Paul/Barr ticket compliments and enhances the power of the grassroots to change the direction of the party and accelerate the fall of the neo-conservatives. Perhaps any sane remaining RNC leaders will come to their senses and follow the LP and nominate Paul/Barr at their convention as well.
For Paul, it has always been about principle over party and this view has endeared him to civil libertarians, the freedom-minded and small government adhearents of every stripe. And this is what makes a Paul/Barr ticket so interesting. Hugely important issues such as the ever burgeoning police state; the world's leading per capita incarceration rates; a disasterous drug war; an out-of-control tax system that threatens the well-being of all Americans, these issues and more would finally get a hearing on the national airwaves. Millions more people will be converted to the freedom message!
A clear and distinct alternative to the great compromiser, John McCain, Paul/Barr would draw incredible interest from all corners of the political spectrum. That interest would be translated into the polls and virtually assure that Paul/Barr would be in the world televised national debates. Who wants to contemplate or who would want to risk the two, McBama or McClinton, debating the future of this country? Perish the thought!
Friends, this is not idle chatter. This is real power politics with a freedom movement that will have a wind at its back like no other time in recent memory. The neocons, along with the rest of the country, are reeling from the long national nightmare of Bush/Cheney. Either we act now to boldly get into the presidential race and influence and rally countless millions with the awe-inspiring message of freedom, hope and liberty, or we all must accept responsibility for the consequences of refusing to act. We know down deep in our hearts, we are at the singular historic moment where freedom must well up in righteous indignation, for the future of freedom itself is at stake.
For a Ron Paul - Bob Barr ticket to come about will require yeoman's work from all quarters of the freedom movement. It took arm-twisting to get Ron Paul into the battle in early 2007. We must insist one more time to get him into this pivotal election. By the time the debates roll around with McBama or McClinton, you will wish you had taken action in May 2008. So take action now! This is an emergency!Freedom itself, nay, the very republic, hangs in the balance!
Spread the word!
Call the Ron Paul election headquarters at (703) 248 -9115.
Call Ron Paul's Washington Congressional Offices at (202)225-2831.
Call your liberty minded friends and contacts and have them call.
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Prediction: Paul will speak at the Rep. Nat. Conv. He will not win the nomination. He will then be asked to head the Libertarian Party. Barr will be the V.P. A tough team to beat! I'd sure vote for them.
LSD my hind part. I know. I am very experiaenced in that regard. (In the 60's that is. No longer.)
This is a great article! I am going to send it to Ron right now. Then to some other sites as well!
Great suggestion!! Thanks for the article.
How much LSD do you have to take to think that the way things are now in the USA are roses & peaches? How making a better suggestion rather than smarming a great idea?
Posted By: Kevin Houston
Date: 2008-05-13 02:37:24
Ron Paul as VP. That way he can technically keep his promise not to run for president on the LP ticket.
But seriously, I think Ron should hang in there on the GOP side and wait for John McCain to have a melt-down (political, tempermental, or physical)
In the off chance that doesn't happen, Ron can always run again in 2012 (where he will be the "presumptive" candidate) He will have had four years to improve his name recognition with the American voters and make the case for smaller government.
You know what? If he loses THEN, we can always run him again in 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028 and on and on until there is no republic anymore! Sounds fantastic, no?
Second, LSD has nothing to do with this excuse of an article. Not idle chatter? The hell it is! Idle speculation, call it what you want, but the threshold of a third party success will be passing 5% of the vote this time. Also, a 100 different articles must have been written now about Paul running with Barr on the LP ticket. I won't say absolutely not, but the chances of this going to happen with just 10 days to go is astronomically low.
But if THAT'S not enough for you, let's think about this. (Something I know that really bothers a lot of you.) Ron Paul practically sewed up his house seat victory this year. Running as an LP would force a special election and/or replace him temporarily with a neocon hack and it is then very likely that he would alienate many of his constituents who simply gave him the incumbent's doubt.
Even if Paul did win the popular vote, that won't affect the electors in any way. The electoral college is bought and paid for by the establishment. You won't see many, if any, votes for Paul here.
Invariably, we will succeed without running Paul and if all keeps going according to plan, may have a real libertarian and constitutionally-minded president by 2012.
Dr. Ron Paul is this country's only hope before it go's down the toilet.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence in to an all powerful, one world government."
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy
The proposition that returning to the gold standard can save us is ridiculous. I think Ron even knows it, because he's ducked the proposition of mathematically perfected economy every time it has been thrown at him.
If it is to succeed, the freedom movement is going to have to adopt a veritable solution as its base; and the one proposition which solves our issues is mathematically perfected economy. If Ron Paul would answer to the call for mathematically perfected economy, he would have swapped positions with McCain, for the whole country is craving economic solution, and none of the candidates have one. If Mr. Paul can't better articulate his conviction of the gold standard, he must know he paves a short road to failure... for gold has no power whatever to arrest further multiplication of *private* *and* federal debt by interest; and nothing could be more shortsighted than smiling to the White House without an answer for multiplying indebtedness.
^I have to agree with the poster above. But the thing that people don't understand with Ron Paul's platform, he wouldn't outright cut education, medicare, social security, income tax, abolish the federal reserve... He would slowly ween (in a two-term presidency) the American people of being sponsered by the Federal Government.
He would first use vochers for the school system and medicare (not health-care, he would allow the free market to handle that). He would allow people to opt-out of social security for private retirement accounts, so people can still have it, but trust me a lot of people will bail out knowing nothing will be left and they can keep that money from their paycheck. He said he would relunctantly approve of a Fair-Tax if it means getting rid of the IRS. As for the Fed Reserve, he wants to have a digital gold standard line to compete with the fed. The Liberty Dollar worked well and if you allow currencies to compete, one will fail. If it is the Liberty Dollar, Paul would keep the Fed. He just wants reform to it.
Paul's strongest strengths are immigration, foreign policy, small government and free trade. You get rid of the insentives for immigrants they'll leave, they can earn welfare, why wouldn't they come here? Arizona is a good example right now solving the problem. Foreign Policy is perfect, non-intervention. Small Government, biggest preacher of it, wants State & Local Governments to handle their own business. Free Trade, no alignments in NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, NATO, UN, all these internationalistic groups. Just be our own nation. That's it.
You're wrong, kombayn. Ron Paul never stood for this. Or 90% of the people would not support him. We like quick, heretical, absolutist change, one that results in loads of collateral damage, as long as it's not us paying for it. We won't accept compromise, or a slow "weening" as you put it. That to us, makes the most sense, and of course, we must therefore force whoever the nominee is to implement what we want right now! Or we shall give them a revolution!
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All sarcasm aside, just sampling what you will be in store for should certain people read your post.
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