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Topic: War On Terror
Why Iraq is helping our national security

A possibility of why Iraq is making us safer.
by Locke
(Conservative)
Friday, May 9, 2008

The Iraq war has been subject to much criticsm and there is a growing movement topull all our forces out immediately. It has also been branded as a war that ismaking us more vulnerable, not safer.  I think that the Iraq war has been a primary reason that we have not experienced a terrorist attack in over six years.

Iraq has now become the main battleground in the war on terror and it is the most direct way to strike at the United States. I think that the reason we have not been attacked in six years is because that most the jihadists who would have attacked the American homeland are now traveling to Iraq to become "martyrs". These extremists are trying to the utmost to kill our troops. They have killed over 4,000 in 5 years, but our soldiers have killed many more of them than they have killed us. Our soldiers are prepared to meet this threat and they have had no opportunity to strike at unprepared civilians.

We have lost 4,000 of our finest fellow citizens in 5 years, but we lost over 3,000 in a day on September 11, 2001. If our efforts in Iraq have prevented another 9-11 then I think our efforts there are worth it.

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Posted By: Danny
Date: 2008-05-09 08:27:30

I don't think the one million dead Iraqis and 4 million displaced would agree with your view...without even commenting on the countless future terrorists that are being armed and trained in Iraq by the US Military.

History will prove decisively that this war was a disaster for the sovereignty and safety of the United States.

 

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Posted By: wow!
Date: 2008-05-09 09:23:56

danny has it spot on. this is just bs.

 

quit trying to justify an illegal war, and the rest of our governments crimes. 

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Posted By: Chad_Underdonk
Date: 2008-05-09 10:39:03

Assymetric warfare knows no battlegrounds. They are bleeding us dry not in attacks against the American landmass, but by giving short sighted politicians further excuse to destroy the dollar by their irrational print and spend habits. This is precisely how the Mujajadeen bled the Soviet Army in Afghanistan to the point they no longer had the money or political will to fight. The Soviet defeat lead to the fall of the Iron Curtain, then the most extreme of the Mujajadeen numbers turned their sights on us.

Today they are executing the exact same battleplan and are using any method to bleed us dry to force us to withdraw from "their" region of the world. Unfortunately there are all to many people who would rather believe in their jingoistic upbringing and think that we as Americans are god's chosen and will never be defeated in any sense.

Imagine it as a game of poker, "us" against the "terrorists". The whole world knows our "tells" and can predict our next moves, further understand that we have as a nation have totally misread our opponents and do not even understand the stakes they are playing for. While we do have a lot of experience playing poker and have a much larger bank to put in the pot we can still lose under those circumstances. Throwing away our resources on bad hands and trying to bluff or outbid our opponents is a great way to walk away from the table as the biggest loser. The saddest part is that like all gambling, while we might possibly gain something from it (in a figurative sense) the only possible way that we can lose is by "playing" in the first place.

In truth however there can be no gain from this or any war. Any gain will either be completely figurative and emotional, or it will be at the expense of others. When we apply the broken window fallacy (http://mises.org/story/2868) we find that war is a devourer of resources, not a creator...therefore there can be no winning but only a question of who has lost the most.

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Posted By: Lloyd Kempson
Date: 2008-05-09 12:39:58

The problem that Non-interventionist Libertarians don't seem to understand is that we live in an amoral world. Everyone out there is evil and good, and they act in thier own interest even if it is not the best option. The Iraqi government needs our help in order to survive. The insurgents are not absolute, they are also attacking Iraqis as well as the government. People in Iraq would be at greater danger without the US involvement in Iraq. There would be a constant coup detat effort by the insurgents to take over Baghdad much like there is in the muslim/tribal  wars in Africa. The only difference is that you can sit at home and watch American Idol knowing that the troops are home and are now just an extention of the welfare state doing nobody any favors.

A world in which there is no conflict is a world of tyranny. Peace without freedom sucks, and just because the US in not involved does not mean that there will be peace. Noninterventionism allows for genocide, rape, and terrorism to take place just as long as it does not effect them.

As a citizen of the world first, I believe that everyone in this world should be free. As a citizen of America, I believe that it is our job to do and pay for it. Tyranny has no place in humanity.

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Posted By: Republicae
Date: 2008-05-09 15:45:52

Now, to think that just because we have not been attacked since 9/11 doesn’t, by any means, indicate that the policies of this government have been effective in prevention. To the contrary, those extreme radical Muslims don’t operate on our time-table, they are and have proven to be very, very patient in their strategy and action. If we think our intervention into Iraq has been effective then we should consider a few things about the history of the policy of intervention in our country. Look at the results of such policies.

If intervention had been a policy that worked then we should have seen it by now. In the last 110 years we [our government] has intervened in over 200 countries around the world. Hell, we have, in one way or another, intervened in the affairs of Iraq for the last 87 years.

It is a policy that has been proven a massive failure that has caused incredible consequences to our country, many of which we have yet to see. That is the problem with such consequences, it takes decades for them to fully be revealed and the damage is already done.

The Islamists attacked us because we have, in their minds, trespassed, threatened, invaded, and oppressed Islam, their lands and their resources. It is just that simple and until we change the way we view the world and adjust our policies to PROTECT AMERICA first and foremost, then this “war on terror” will continue without success and without end. Your children and children’s children will face a far more dangerous world because of our actions in that region then we ever did. If you want to live in a fear-filled fortress nation then that is what you will have to have if we continue without recognizing the reasons behind the attacks of extremist Islam.

For anyone to stand on the conclusion that the invasion of Iraq actually provided us with more safety is totally blind to the reality of such action. Our invasion has only incited more hatred, more animosity and the desire for more, much more revenge. Iraq is now so fragmented and there are so many power-struggles going on between those factions that there is absolutely nothing our presence in that country can do to solve the massive problems that our own actions have created. Additionally, it has provided an open door, not only for Iran, but also for other powers in the region just as virulent as Iran.

Iraq effectively no longer exists. First, the country was artificially constructed by the British at the end of WWI, along with most of the countries in the region. Our invasion has only served to once again fracture those ethnic groups that never got along in the first place. Our invasion has basically scraped away all semblance of “nationhood” and only served to isolate the various groups into their respective desire for a slice of the pie. This so-called surge has been propped up by massive buy-offs and little more. What the surge has allowed is a consolidation of power by the various forces intent on flexing their muscle on a broader scale when the time is right.

Our policies in Afghanistan are just as misdirected as those in Iraq. We have imposed a very frail government in that country, one led by some of the most hated tribal factions in that country: The Pashtun. We have sought to do the same thing there as we have in other countries and yet; we have once again failed to learn from the mistakes of the past in such actions.

Since our attacks on Afghanistan and in particular Iraq, the soap box of al Qaeda has not decreased, but expanded and become even more potent to those Muslims that would have ignored his message prior to our invasions. This government has, from the outset, formed the wrong foreign policy priorities, set mistaken goals and executed those goals in the most incompetent manner possible.

A wise position in every threat situation has always been to completely understand, if possible, the threat and theater of action before acting… the Bush Administration failed on all accounts and has continued it’s failed policies putting all of us at risk. Not only did the Bush Administration fail, but also they failed to utilize almost 30 years of experience in the region to understand the actual threat our men and women would face in both Afghanistan and Iraq. They ignored all the voices of reason from experienced military sources and intelligence sources, sources that had been in the region, especially Afghanistan.

How Islam views us actually matters a great deal. Such views not only provide a potential solution to the threats we face, but it also allows us to counter those views and the actions those views produce. That is the primary principle of military strategy, without it you operate blindly and present no focus to your efforts. In Iraq, if you recall, we began to lose the good will of the Iraqi people the moment one of our tanks tumbled the statue of Saddam and placed an American flag over the face of the statue. It was down hill from that point and this government’s strategy is completely devoid of sustainability without the good will of the population. This Administration failed in its cultural understanding of the theater of action in Iraq, failed to assess the actual situation on the ground, and ignored the signs of such failure. Our policies have been an utter failure, and while Bush can be blamed for a great deal of that failure, he is not the only one in our governments history that has implemented such short-sighted policies.

Of course, it did not help the entire situation that the U.S. government allowed over 30 MAK branches to operate under their noses for years, collecting millions of dollars in donations from the American Muslim community during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

[Get this, even now, our government is providing training, weapons, Intel, finance and support to FATAH, but the problem is that among the members of FATAH are members of the Al Aqsa Martyr Brigade. So, our government, once again, in all its vast wisdom, is training terrorist in counter-terrorism. Amazing, absolutely amazing!]

Now, if we actually look at a time-line of when the ultra-radicalization and indeed the beginning of attacks against U.S. targets, we will find that there is a very direct correlation between our introduction of troops stationed in and around the Arabian Peninsula and those attacks. Yes, there were sporadic attacks prior to this period, but primarily by those who had Palestinian connections. If you recall, the majority of the Arab world was pleased that we intervened in the case of Kuwait however; it was that intervention that opened the door for the U.S. to pursue a very different policy in the region.

That policy, perhaps all along, was to establish a strong presence in the region and in Central Asia. Whatever the reasons behind the implementation of that policy it consolidated several factions of Islamic fundamentalists who had felt completely powerless against everyone from the Soviets in Afghanistan, to Israel, to the U.S., into a force with a common goal, a common focus and a common enemy. That enemy was none other then the most conspicuous threat to Islam that they saw: The United States of America.

The U.S. policy that engaged the establishment of those bases in the region not only provided a focal point for decades of rage, but it became the collective focus of Islamic hatred. While there was a definite push toward radicalization due to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, it was the establishment of U.S. military bases that actually provided the radicals with the impetus to form and execute their radical ideals in the region and then around the world. At one time, the Mujahidin movement was relatively restricted to Afghanistan, but soon, with the new focus of perceived U.S. aggression in the region, that movement spread to Bosnia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and now, thanks to our poorly executed invasion: Iraq. It continues to spread because the perceived threat remains.

The current collective Islamophobia blinds us to a very important reality about why they despise the U.S. and why they will continue to attack us.

Not only is interventionism causing the United States untold danger, but that danger will only continue to rise as we continue down this path of blindness.

You want to be safe, your want your children and children’s children to be safe? The wake up to what this government is doing? We must stop this insane policy of selling arms to nations on both sides of conflicts, sending massive amounts of foreign aid to nations on both sides of conflicts, signing treaties with nations on both sides of conflicts and intervening in areas, nations, regions that don’t pose a very direct and very imminent threat to this country. We must put AMERICA FIRST once again; we must put THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA FIRST and stop the idiocy of thinking that we are the social worker and policeman to the world. If not, then we will face the same fate as other nations who followed the same policies in the past!

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted By: Gary R. Carter
Date: 2008-05-09 22:49:25

Rubbish

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Posted By: Tom Welsh
Date: 2008-05-10 02:09:20

The argument that "the terrorists" have somehow been "decoyed" to Iraq instead of attacking the USA wouldn't convince a child. If you wanted to do as much harm as possible to the USA, a nation that has the world's most powerful armed forces, would you: (1) Travel to a distant country which the USA has occupied, in order to fight (hopelessly) against those powerful armed forces, knowing that any collateral damage will not affect American civilians, or (2) Travel to the USA and set off bombs, etc., without any interference from the US armed forces which are mostly abroad, in the assurance that almost everyone who ends up being killed or injured will be an American? When answering this question, try to avoid the temptation of thinking of the terrorists as much stupider than you are. Bear in mind the possibility that they are just as smart as you - in fact, consider that they might even be smarter.

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Posted By: Ivan from Oregon
Date: 2008-05-10 09:43:06

 Why are we not intervening in Sudan that has a terrible genocide going on?  I'm afraid the answer is that they don't have anything we want.

The notion that we should be expending lives and treasure to "fix" places in the world that are not meeting some of our "standards" is not only ludicrous, but insane.  Politicians that vote for this kind of adventure should be required to send their own family members to the front lines.

The simplest explanation of why we went to go bomb the heck out of Afghanistan is that's where we want to put a pipeline.  The one for Iraq is it's whose oil we want.  Between the two we killed a million civilians, sent two million homeless into Syria, at a cost of 4000 American lives and tens of thousands of our own injured, not to mention how many are now mentally screwed up.

That we condone such actions by "our" government is pathetic. It reminds me of a "defense" offered during the Vietnam debacle, "Ihad to destroy that village in order to save it.  WAR IS PEACE

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Posted By: David S
Date: 2008-05-11 08:13:57

 President Bush has publicly stated that Iraq was not involved in 911 and also that they did not have weapons of mass destruction. [link edited for length]

Further, from the 911 report we know that none of the attackers were even from Iraq. Most were from Saudi Arabia. And Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia. But we haven’t done anything to Saudi Arabia and Bin Laden remains free. During Bush’s recent trip to Saudi Arabia he was photographed hugging the Saudi diplomats. So what we have done is attack and destroy a country that had nothing to do with 911 while embracing the country whose fingerprints are all over 911. We have also not secured our borders, which seems like a sane thing to do to keep terrorists out. None of that makes sense if the objective is to retaliate for 911 or to prevent future attacks.

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Posted By: Chad_Underdonk
Date: 2008-05-11 11:27:14

Lloyd if you are a citizen of the world first might I suggest that you put on a blue beret and pick up a rifle! Until you pick up that rifle then you are simply a mouth-piece trying to advocate your will and the will of those whom you agree with apon the citizens of this nation.

The United States can be a great power for good in this world as well as a great power for evil. A very good argument can be made that GOVERNMENTAL intervention against the world does much more harm than good. But that doesn't mean that you will find many libertarians trying to tell others how to achieve goals that those others feel are worthy. I have no qualms or quarrels with those who wish to contribute a portion of THEIR income, to offer up THEIR lives, and THEIR sweat to the causes which concern them. But once those individuals start laying claim to my life, liberty, and property to achieve THEIR goals then they are trying to achieve THEIR goals through TYRANNY over ME.

Personally I don't have delusions of grandeur, I don't have a god complex, and I don't for a moment believe that I understand the complexity of issues that are happening a world away between cultures that I don't understand over issues that I've never heard of. Do what you will as an individual but don't presume to speak for what this nation should do when you haven't even have the courage to step up to the line to do it first yourself!

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Posted By: patrick henry
Date: 2008-05-12 09:41:11

If you have not carried a rifle in either Iraq or Afghanistan, then you should do us all a favor, shut the phuck up, go visit your local recruiter and go fight to keep us safe, before you attempt to shed some light onto somehting that you have no knowledge of.

We are in Afghanistan controlling the world heroin distribution, nothing more, nothing less, look it up and put the pieces together for yourself.

LIBERTY or DEATH

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