Topic: War On Terror
Prepare Your Children (or Yourself) For The Draft! Most of America is against war...any war. Most of America would not want their son or daughter drafted into a war they don't believe should be waged, especially when the country that war is being waged against didn't attack us. But what can you do to stop this madness of warmongering and protect your sons and daughters from the possibility of a draft? by Doug Eberhardt
(Libertarian)
Thursday, May 8, 2008
We currently don't have a draft, but it is law that a male aged 18-25 must sign up for the Selective Service, so they have the names and addresses.
I somehow managed to not have to sign up for Selective Service because I fall into a group that happened to be born at the right time.
"Men born from March 29, 1957, through December 31, 1959, were not required to register with Selective Service because the registration program was suspended when they would have reached age 18. The requirement to register with Selective Service was reinstated in 1980, but only for men born January 1, 1960, or later.
Men born between these dates will not have a Selective Service number; however these men are still eligible for all the benefits and programs linked to the registration requirement."
Well that's interesting. I wonder what "benefits and programs" I'm missing by not signing up? Is it the benefit giving me the opportunity of fighting undeclared wars? Or is it the program of being on a special list so I can have my body immunized against anthrax?
I think I'll pass.
One thing you must do now and that is tell all the illegal immigrants who cut your lawn and pick your fruit that it's the law that they must go down to the U.S. Post Office and register with the Selective Service:
If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address.
Selective Service does not collect any information which would indicate whether or not you are undocumented. You want to protect yourself for future U.S. citizenship and other government benefits and programs by registering."
It's rather laughable eh? Make sure and point out to the illegals you speak with that by signing up, it will lead to U.S. citizenship and all those "benefits and programs." I guess that's one way to solve the illegal immigrant problem huh?
But what is it with war anyway? Why is the U.S. the big bully on the block these days? What the heck are we doing and why?
One reason is that it its easier to defeat a weak enemy now than ever before. It seems that today the way to go to war is via the air first, and then send in the ground forces to pick up the pieces and restore order. It's working so well in Iraq right? Ha!
If you've ever played the game of "Risk," you know that spreading yourself too thin is paramount to defeat. This is what the U.S. is doing by occupying 130 nations and currently warring with two. So this leads us to the coming draft.
With our armed forces already strained from duty, more battle ready souls are needed. If the draft is incorporated into the picture to supply these needed bodies, I think you would see a drastic change in the attitude towards the administration(s) that want to continue drilling for oil, erm, I mean spreading democracy to other countries.
It's much easier to just take another countries oil than drill in our own back yard. I mean...we can use our own oil as a last resort right? So let's just take everyone else's until that time ok? A few lost souls obtaining it won't matter as long as you have affordable gasoline! Oh...wait a minute.... we don't have cheap gasoline....
There is no way I would allow my child to be drafted to fight these types of wars. They would be conveniently out of the country on vacation and I wouldn't know where they are when the Selective Service came a knocking (thanks to Richard Maybury for that idea in recommending that children that are selective service age - or before that age - obtain a passport now).
But since I don't have a child living here, I have to speak up for my nephews who are of age, as well as those who I'm not related to (someone has to speak for them right!).
When the draft is implemented, the government and media twist will be that you are not patriotic if you don't do what the government and selective service says to do and be there when they come knocking.
I'm sure I'll see some of you in the Swiss Alps. I'll recognize you by your constant looking over your shoulder. We'll have a drink and say a prayer for those who got caught up in the government's game of Risk.
The above article is a reality folks. The complacency of the American public and their being fooled by this "War On Terror" will lead to the eventual drafting of your sons, and if necessary, your daughters (because of some lawsuit for equal rights).
Personally, I'm doing something about this nonsense. What, may I ask in a non-offending way, are you doing? Writing stories with the name "Ron Paul" gets you some good "thumbs up" and more readership on Nolan Chart, but most of us here are preaching to the choir.
I want Ron Paul's revolution to continue as much as anyone, but we have much work to do in getting the word out to those who don't understand what is happening. Protecting our sons and daughters from the probable draft seems like a good talking point whereby you can win a few more over to the Ron Paul revolution.
It's not easy, but look whom the neocons have as their choice for commander in chief? The guy who wants to "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran!" And he wants to use your available family members to do the job. And you won't be able to stop him. The draft will be the law.
But think about one thing. What happens when all the folks who are aged 18-25 are conveniently vacationing? Who will fight their wars then?
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My oldest son turns 18 and graduates from high school next year. What do I tell him? Excercise his conscience or my beliefs, and not get federal aid for a good school? I could volunteer for the local draft board and reject as many men as I can.
The reason why you won't get many hits is that you're ahead of your time. It'll happen if McCain gets advice that he needs a million soldiers in Iraq to "finish the job". It'll happen so fast, with so little debate, it'll make your head swim!
Fully aware I'm ahead of my time Digital Bob. But that's the point.
As far as you son, get whatever help you need to have him realize a good education. As far as getting him a passport, I see no harm in it. When he graduates college, he can travel the world. I'm all for that.
If the draft is instated, then I would have had that discussion about what he wants to do before hand. Each person can come to their own conclusions...I'm professing mine, but rather giving options to those who might want to "opt out."
Oh...and I don't care about the "hits" as much as I do about giving options to those who might be in this predicament. The kind of info you won't get via the MSM if you know what I mean.
McCain won't use the draft in his first term. He will use it after he wins reelection. You should tell your kids to join the military, it is a hell of a lot better than college, but then they might turn out to be real world libertarians like Corporal Drew Carey of the United States Marine Corps. (who now host the Price is Right)
You're now equating the cost of of college with the income one can receive from the militiary and relating that to being "better" because one is expensive and the other pays somewhat well?
Have you thought about the pay scale of the college graduate? 4 years of expensive college vs. a lifetime of higher pay. I think one would choose college and parents should do all they can along with the child to make sure their higher education is completed. Oh...and they don't die (unless randomly shot by some lunatic).
Contrary to some of the responses to Lloyd's comment, he has a point. Those in the military are taken care of. Health insurance, housing food, etc: all guaranteed. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee at being successful if you go to college. There is also no guarantee you won't get drafted after college either. Additionally, by voluntarily signing up for the services, it may be possible to get a job that you choose, and because of this, possibly safer, rather than one forced upon you that you didn't really want.
These comments are swaying away from the point of the article, that being there are ways to avoid the draft "if" implemented and doing something about the nonsense of warmongering. It has nothing to do with comparing enlisting in the military to college.
Conclusion: "While it is clear that investment in a college degree, especially for those students in the lowest income brackets, is a financial burden, the long-term benefits to individuals as well as to society at large, appear to far outweigh the costs."
College, Jobs, or the Military? Enlistment During a Time of War
Conclusion: "Voluntary military enlistment during wartime is associated college aspirations, lower socioeconomic status, and living in an area with a high military presence."
Bottom line is that if your family are military, then more than likely you will be on the military side of the coin. If not, then the opposite.
Either way, once finished with college, you will make more money over your lifetime, and more than likely be able to tell your grandkids about your college years.
THe biggest people who have wanted the draft to happen are Democrats. Republicans know that an all volunteer military works better than draftees. Charles Rangel (D-NY) wants a draft, not Bush and not McCain. The Navy offers a 6 year $50,000 re-enlistment bonus to non-nuclear trained submarine mechanics plus a promotion to E5 which, if married, would make the pay of a 23 year old MM2(SS) roughly arround $50,000 a year with benefits. Why the Army's bonuses are not this high is a matter of people re-enlisting at a high rate. The military pays very well and that is why a draft will not come back unless absolutely necessary. (Iraq and Afgahnistan are not that bad)
And what happens when the government can't afford to pay those salaries any longer? It's not like they can print money out of thin air! Oh wait... they can.
But in reality, the salaries of many government employees are already way out of line. Just look at what the beginning of this debacle is going to look like by analyzing the salaries of government employees in Vallejo, CA where they just declared bankruptcy. Over 130 employees earn over $100,000 for a town of about 25,000. Rediculous.
How am I mistaken about Iraq and Afghanistan? They really are not that bad compared to: The first gulf war, The Vietnam War, Korean War, WWII, and WWI.
Soldiers over there are getting fat.
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=55560&archive=trues and Stripes frequently writes articles about this.
Lloyd, You said; "The military pays very well and that is why a draft will not come back unless absolutely necessary. (Iraq and Afgahnistan are not that bad)" I took that to mean that you didn't think the armed forces are overworked.
I then posted the article dated Feb. 1st, 2008 entitled: "U.S. Reserves Dangerously Overtaxed by Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Panel Says" Maybe you meant something else.
"Personally, I'm doing something about this nonsense. What, may I ask in a non-offending way, are you doing? Writing stories with the name "Ron Paul" gets you some good "thumbs up" and more readership on Nolan Chart, but most of us here are preaching to the choir.
I want Ron Paul's revolution to continue as much as anyone, but we have much work to do in getting the word out to those who don't understand what is happening. Protecting our sons and daughters from the probable draft seems like a good talking point whereby you can win a few more over to the Ron Paul revolution."
Truer words have never been spoken. How does ranting on a blog about Ron Paul's liver spots or w/e being a messiahanic blessing do anything for us? Then you have heretics like Wallenwein and satirists like Random Outlier, and the just plain "out-for-ratings" types like Creator.
NC is not a place to foster real debate, or so it seems.
I am 18 years old and if the draft is instate I will go without protest and I presonally believe that anybody who is "conveniently out of the country on vacation" should not be allowed to return to the U.S.
There is nothing wrong with fighting for your country when you are "defending" it or its borders. But we aren't doing that now are we? Our borders are so wide open that a Mariachi band and a man riding on top of an eleIphant can cross.
In the case of Iraq, as was the case with Vietnam and Korea, the war is "undeclared" per our Constitution, Article 1 Section 8. Congress "authorized" the wars, and did not fulfill their duty. This is defined as imperialism is it not? Over 50,000 died in Vietnam and 50,000 died in Korea. What did the wars there accomplish? What is the war in Iraq and Afghanistan accomplishing outside of the banktuptcy of our nation?
Is it patriotic to fight undeclared wars is the real issue and this is what I want people to address with their congressmen and women before any draft were to be put upon us.
I am not arguing whether the war in Iraq is just or unjust all I am trying to say is that if your country calls on you I think you should answer that call.
I also think you are forgeting that this war was started with an attack within our borders.....
Matt, Your thinking is after the fact. My thinking is preemptive. The issue is entirely that the war is unjust.
The Declaration of Independence implores us to rid ourselves of such government that infringes upon our rights. Not in an anarchist way, but via voting, we need to hold congress accountable.
This war was not started with an attack on our borders. Iraq did not attack us. Osama bin Laden isn't even on the FBI's most wanted list for 9/11 related activities: [link edited for length]
This war is contrived. Watch the BBC documentary, "Power of Nightmares" and see how it was contrived. I've personally had email exchanges with former Presidential candidate and neocon Gary Bauer on this issue. One needs to distinguish what the goverment might do (implement the draft) in advance of such happening so the government doesn't send our sons and daughters off to be slaughtered in an undeclared war.
If congress doesn't do their duty, they should be thrown out. As such, it will never come to a debate on whether one should sign up for the draft or not.
Ron Paul receives the most money from the armed forces for a reason.
On another note, I'm not sure if you are a Christian or not Matt, but Lawrence Vance has written quite a bit on this subject: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance21.html Peace!
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