Topic: Ron Paul
Trouble in Republican Paradise It seems as there is a concerted effort to exclude Ron Paul Supporters from the Republican Party.by Paul from Clearwater Florida
(Libertarian)
Tuesday, April 22, 2008
I'm hearing the same story over and over and over. From Orlando to Sarasota to New Port Richey to Clearwater. Go home Ron Paul Supporters.
Talk about resting on your laurels. The Republican Party is hurting. They are bleeding in the street and only the huge army of Ron Paul Supporters can save them. Despite being spat at, we are still trying to save them. They have no chance of winning against Barak or Hillary, period.
First, we all remember the Straw Poll in St Petersburg. Watch Video>>
Then Police escort Ron Paul Supporters from a meeting in Pasco county. Completely unfounded.
And now in Orange County I get the following email:
One thing that you can say about Lew Oliver--when he makes a threat he intends to carry it out. On the Friday following the the April 3rd Monthly OCREC meeting, I had a long discussion with Chairman Oliver about the smear job he did on the RP supporters. Secretly circulating a 'green sheet' memo branding THEM as 'Disloyal', 'Extremists', and 'Attacking The Republican Party,' was not only underhanded, but it wasn't even true. I told him that if he had a beef with me, than talk to me, don't blackball people just because they knew me. Ask THEM what THEIR political beliefs were, before blocking their membership.
Needless to say this kind of reasoning had no impact on Mr. Oliver. In fact he threatened to smear me too if I went public with the green sheet. "I'll print and distribute every email you ever sent. I'll make you look bad and gain even more traditional Republican support for me if you go to the press." Mind you, I never said that I would go to the media. First I wanted to get his side of the story of what he was trying to accomplish. I further again and again pleaded with him to first contact these blackballed individuals before he permanently blocked them from membership.
Well, lo and behold, in tonights email I see a special notice that I am to be tried in the kangaroo court with Lew Oliver as Judge and prosecuting attorney. The trial (and I use that term very loosely) will commence on May 1st, 2008. Location will be the friendly confines of the Mark Street Senior Center at 7pm. I suppose the tarring and feathering will commence after the 'verdict' is delivered.
And what am I guilty of? What high crimes and misdemeanors have I committed to warrant such serious charges? Let's see. "doesn't want to see the Republican ticket elected in November. Hmm, I think I signed quite a few petitions to help many Republicans to get ballot access. I also recall talking with many Republican candidates and introducing them to many new Ron Paul supporters. Heck, I even attended strategy meetings with Lew Oliver and other OCREC members and shared ideas on how to win the elections in the fall. Sounds to me like I was involved and supporting Republican candidates.
Take a look at that second paragraph in the "NOTICE" (I'll forward it in the next email). He says I want to (exact quote) "debate such measures as the unconstitutionality of the war in Iraq, legalization of drugs, etc." As Chairman Oliver knows, I never suggested debating these issues. I did put forth a motion that we should from time to time discuss what are the core issues of the party. A resolution that was put forward in good faith and in proper Robert Rules of Order format. But we know what Lew Oliver's real intentions are. Smear people! Say they said things they didn't say, make outlandish statements, and then hope to fan fears within the Executive Committee so they will do Oliver's bidding.
Then he goes on to say I'm disruptive in meetings. True I did bring up a motion in November 2007 in support of a fellow Republican (not even a Ron Paul supporter), running for mayor. Apparently, this too is contrary to Mr. Oliver's plan for winning elections. True, I asked that we support Mr. Mulvaney's candidacy with a large donation from the party treasury. The motion was voted down and later Lew came to me and stated that he had had a change of heart and would recommend to the committee a smaller donation of $5000. I doubt if even this smaller sum would have been forthcoming if I hadn't stood up for a Republican wanting to contest election. Remember this motion was over FIVE months ago. And my only other motion (about the discussion of issues was over TWO months ago. Only TWO motions in nearly a year of membership in OCREC. I had no idea that Republicans were supposed to be so quiet!
Which brings us to the real issue. The fact that I dared to oppose Chairman Oliver and even worse, went to the media to talk about inner workings of OCREC. Now if Mr. Oliver is so thin-skinned and afraid of a good healthy debate, then it is Chairman Oliver who should really consider if he is suitable for membership in OCREC.
We now have two directly linked instances where Lew Oliver takes the low road to squash anyone who opposes him. First he circulates defamatory statements about Ron Paul supporters , then he goes after me for exposing his tactics in the media. And you know what I think motivates Lew Oliver even more? The fact that I'm right and he's wrong and I'm not afraid to tell him and everyone else, that the Emperor has no clothes! And the fact that I can out debate him and make him look bad in the media IS NOT TO BE TOLERATED!
I've got a message for Mr. Oliver. To wit, "Mr. Oliver, you are trying the tactics of another not so great Republican. His name is Joe McCarthy. Who can forget his hysterical rantings, 'I've got in this envelope the names of known Communists that I will expose.' Well Mr. Oliver, if that is how you want to play with peoples' names and reputations you will meet the same end as him. Someday someone will stand up and say (as they did 40 years ago), 'Sir, have you no shame?'
I may just be that man, Chairman Oliver! You may frighten and bully others but you will not do it to me. I stand ready to defend myself, my beliefs, and my right to be involved in the Republican party. Throw all the mud and lies you want. They will not stick and you will cover yourself with the slime that you so sanctimoniously heap on others.
See you on May 1st. I don't know what other trickery Lew Oliver has up his sleeve, but I will guess that anyone who thinks nothing of suing other Republicans and being accused of charging more than 100 percent interest in the meantime, will have plenty of stuff to hit me with. [link edited for length]
Nick Egoroff
The gloves are off. Dancing with the devil is hard, arduous work. I don't know how Ron Paul does it. Hats off to him.
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As a Republican of many years, I am really starting to question that affiliation after first the expansionist government under Bush then this notion that we aren't allowed as Republicans to support candidates who would bring the party back to where it should be.
I guess they don't want us.
I really think there is room for a third party now....
We could blame it on the lack of Ron Paul supporters, but that wouldn't make sense. Could it have anything to do with the fact that people are buying into Centrism so much that the Republican Party would rather win elections than nominate a guy who couldn't even win a primary in his own district?
Seeing the Republicans in action this election is what prompted my full defection. It is amusing to hear some now stammer that I should be trying to work within the party, and not spoiling their chance to grab more power.
Hopefully their upcoming crash and burn in Novemeber will prompt some within their ranks to repent -- or at least introspect for a season. However, it is my experience in studying personality and character that people who are motivated by power are almost always incapable of introspection.
At this rate, the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee will be Ted Kennedy! Heck, he just might be Juan McAmnestys VP anyway, they are so closely aligned! Ted Kennedy seems good at "winning elections", if that is now the standard bearer issue Teddy will be a shoe in for 2012! Lloyd Kempson would certainly vote for him if McCain endorsed him!
I voted for Ron Paul today in PA and a fellow RP supporter had some problems with the new machines. He was pressing in the wrong area but when he asked about it one of the people running the voting place said that he couldn't vote for Ron Paul just McCain. So it's not just the delegates that are being shunned! The R3VOLution continues!
I think we should be trying to get on the other side of things. Instead of Lew Oliver putting Norm Egoroff on trial, Norm Egoroff should be putting Lew Oliver on trial. And so on, throughout Florida and throughout the country.
I've been giving some thought to whom Paul should endorse for president, should he not win the nomination. My thought now is: after (of course) saying that he's not telling anyone whom to vote for, he should recommend that Paul supporters (1) vote Republican in the states where the party machine did not try to suppress the REVOLution - Washington, Alaska, Nevada, the Dakotas - and (2) vote for another party - Libertarian - in states like Florida, that did try.
Sure, he'll be blamed for McCain's inevitable loss in November, but rational minds will see it as payback that's due for this campaign -- or at least the first installment of same.
I'm as Republican as they come, and I will not vote for John McCain under any circumstances. He is wrong on every issue. War = Wrong, Illegal Immigration = Wrong, Economy = Wrong (and has no clue how wrong), Taxes = Wrong. There is not a single issue out there that I agree with him on. When did America become the USSA?
I changed my party affiliation to vote for Paul in my state's primary (not Florida). I am looking forward to changing it back as soon as possible. Why would Ron Paul supporters ever feel welcome in the party of George W and John McCain?
I will say this..... It has been a different story in Pinellas County Florida which is the second largest County group in the state. After a shaky start during the Florida Primary the Pinellas County Republican Party, much to my surprise, has welcomed all Ron Paul supporters with open arms. The way their Membership Director put it the night we were voted in, "The Republican Party has big tent, and we are happy to have you here." At a following meeting, scum bag, Congressman Bill Young stopped by to give a speach, and again to my surprise he said he was "happy to serve in Congress with Ron Paul and that he was a good man". I have no idea why these other groups are having so much trouble.
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