Topic: Presidential Campaign 2008
Pennsylvania Republicans Should Vote for Ron Paul The race for the Republican nomination is over. Pennsylvania is now in a unique position to have its votes count more than any other state in the Union.by Jeff Wrobel
(libertarian)
Sunday, April 20, 2008
Because of the late date of the state's primary election, Pennsylvania has resigned itself to the fact that it cannot make a difference in the presidential primary. On the Republican side of the ticket that is certainly true.
The Republican nomination has been sewn up. John McCain has enough delegates to become the nominee of his party without any further fight. It's been a long year of posturing, pandering, and strategic voting, but in the end the Republicans have settled for John McCain.
So what's a Pennsylvania Republican to do? If you're a big fan of McCain, there's no reason to show up to vote-- he's already won.
If you support McCain just because he's not a Democratyou might think it a clever idea to temporarily switch parties to vote for Hillary because she's easier for McCain to beat. Sorry, but it's a closed primary, and the last day to change your party registration has passed. Your choices now are to vote for McCain, vote for Ron Paul, or stay home.
If you're a registered Republican in Pennsylvania and you're not a big fan of McCain, you can make your vote have a louder voice than it ever had before. You can make it louder than any other vote in the country. You can do this by voting for Ron Paul.
Many traditional Reagan Republicans are unhappy with McCain's positions on many issues. He's very soft on immigration, his campaign finance legislation prevents pro-life candidates from getting the funds they need (and resulted in his nomination, I might add), he has not even acknowledged our enormous debt, he's in favor of NAFTA, he laughs at the idea of eliminating the Fed, he wants to continue to over-extend our military overseas, etc., etc., etc. Ron Paul is the true Conservative on all these issues.
You say that you don't like Ron Paul because he's too radical? Don't worry! The race has been decided. Your vote for Ron Paul is not going to put him in the Whitehouse. What your vote WILL do is to send a message to John McCain that you are not happy with his liberal positions, and that he had better start moving to the right.
At last Pennsylvania Republicans have a chance for their votes to make a real difference. Let John McCain know that he cannot take the Conservative vote for granted. Your vote for Dr. Ron Paul on April 22 will let McCain know that he cannot ignore the will of true Republicans.
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Anyone who thinks Ron Paul is "radical" has lost sense of what our Constitution is. Read quotes from Andrew Jackson. Especially those about his thoughts on the central bank system.
Andrew jackson would be considered a "truther" or a kook now. He abolished the central bank of his day. His largest goal many times stated as President was to get the tenticals of the corrupt bankers out. (his words were even more harsh, I dare you to research). On his death bed he even said his biggest achievment was killing the bankers hold on the Country.
If that was too long ago, try Lincoln. He issued American Greenbacks which were money printed BY OUR GOVERNMENT. It was so succesfull those "Money Masters" as our former Presidents have called the central bankers had to, well you know, what they do best, START ANOTHER WAR.
Unfortunatly neither abolished Fractional Reserve Banking. A large root of our economic problems.
Everyone watch "The Money Masters" to understand before you ridicule. I dare you to research.
The Revolutionary War was to break free of the central bank of England and the forced taxation. Research Ben Franklin's very own statment to this.
Our forefathers would be considered "terrorists" by todays standards. Just like they were by England back in the day and their Central bank controlled Government..
Most of you lemmings have gone along with these scumbags who userped control in America back in 1913 when they voted in The Federal Reserve on Christmass Vacation at a time almost all of Congress was not there and was lied to believing it was closed sesson. The federal Reserve is a FOR PROFIT organization owned by PRIVATE intrests, it is not run by our Government or even audited.
Criminals have our media, and government hyjacked and most of you lemmings act like blind sheep and just go along with it. This is exactly how Nazi's started.
The Patriot act, Military commisions, The new massive rifle ban on the table now. All of this including the fear mongering speaches to give your liberty up for safety. Hitler and Bush sounded very much alike. Research how the Nazis bombed their own capital building and blamed the Communist terrorists, and all the retoric of giving up rights for homeland security.
Our terrorist Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves at what we have let these criminals do to the Country so many patriots died for.
The only ones "radical" are the ideas the Demopublican puppets are spewing. Like buildings can freefall from a fire on a few floors. (Building 7). Or Iraq posed a risk to America.
Wake up so more of my friends don't have to die in this perpetual war for profit. We can't let all this go on any further. It's time to resist.
Research how Lincoln got elected. He lost the Primary and won it in the Convention. Wake up America, it's now or never to demand your freedom. He also ran against 4 different Democrats and had only 39% of the vote. He wasn't on the ballot in the South.
Ron Paul has less than a snowball's chance in hell to win. The best thing that can happen for Ron Paul would be for him to run for Governor of Texas in 2010. If he can win there, then he might actually be worth something next election.
He is a horible politician that gets nothing done. He has nothing to show as accomplishments other than presenting a bill and it not getting passed into law. Ron Paul's only influence that he has is to get 6-15% of Republicans to vote for him so that McCain actually has to lean back to the right a little more.
Lloyd Kempson, I am glad you have the time to read up on things you seem to be against. You ignorance is misplaced however. The people have clearly been manipulated by the media, McCain received the most media and that is why he is ahead, most people do not think! This short study proves the media ignored Ron Paul and shows how their preference controls the outcome.
“The people have clearly been manipulated by the media, McCain received the most media and that is why he is ahead, most people do not think! This short study proves the media ignored Ron Paul and shows how their preference controls the outcome.”
So you are telling me that all of the "Google" Ron Paul and Youtube ads just didn't work?Also, could it be that people just didn't like the way Ron Paul sounded, looked, or acted? Should any fault not be placed on the same Ron Paul who avoided Neal Boortz over one issue? Or maybe it is the fact that most of America has almost always been Centrist since the Great Depression era when socialism had gained such great appeal?
Criticizing the public for not voting for your candidate is not a wise thing to do. Who you should blame is the people running his campaign. Ron Paul would make an excellent dictator, but he would be ineffective as a president who has to fight Congress on a daily basis. Truth be told I am in agreement with a lot of what Ron Paul stands for, I just think that he is so principled in his ways that he can't win a national or state election to save his life. I would love to see him run for governor in Texas, but after seeing him fail to win a single primary in his own state much less his own district (kind of like Al Gore back in 2000), one has to wonder how silly his supporters really are.
The Ralph Nader supporters frequently use the same argument about the Mass Media when talking about their guy. Yet year after year "their" revolution fails to gain any real ground, and yet the Ralph Nader revolution continues to go on.
"The great thing about the United States is that no political ideology has overwhelming control of the country. The Religious Right is still recovering from their last two victories, which were Prohibition and banning evolution from being taught at schools in Tennessee."- Christopher Hitchens
Actually you are incorrect, Huckabee is on the ballot. I live in PA in district 11 and can tell you that I have met ONE Huckabee supporter, and many many many Ron Paul supporters. There are a (very) few Obama and Clinton signs in my area, but hundreds and thousands of Ron Paul signs.
Alas, we use electronic voting machines. I never liked them and nowadays I really don't like them. It baffles me how in other states it seemed that Ron Paul had massive support, but on election day things just didn't reflect that. Either the machines are rigged or people are just too ignorant (I mean that in a nice way).
I will be voting for Ron Paul on Tuesday and you should too! Any conservative who knows anything about what it means to be a real conservative MUST vote for Ron Paul. He is the only conservative on the ticket, period.
Dan Warner is right the machines are rigged. Ron Paul magically stayed at 6% in Texas all day. No one in my county that I know of liked McCain. Yet McCain got 55% in Austin, TX where there were thousands of Ron Paul supporters and signs all over the place... It was weird that Ron only got 17% in Austin where he is overwhelmingly liked... There were 7000 people at UT before Super Tuesday and he only got 7000 votes on Super Tuesday. This either means that everyone that voted for Ron was at the rally (which was not true because I wasn't there...) or something fishy was going on... (I choose the latter explanation.)
So, unless we fix the machines (although they're already "fixed"), we'll keep hearing ignorant remarks on how Ron Paul only gets 6% or so...
I agree totally about the voting machines. Princeton University proved they can be rigged in a matter of minutes. It has been PROVEN that one county in NH commited votor fraud.
The Congressional elections were't rigged, so Ron Paul won by a landslide. Do you mean to tell me that all those Ron Paul supporters would not vote for him for President? That's not what they are saying.
I would like to a paper ballot with 10 regular citezens (not those Election committe people) watch over the counting and recording. The NH fiasco was blamed on a clerk accidently writing down a zero (0) when is should have been a larger number.
“There were 7000 people at UT before Super Tuesday and he only got 7000 votes on Super Tuesday. This either means that everyone that voted for Ron was at the rally (which was not true because I wasn't there...) or something fishy was going on... (I choose the latter explanation.)”
Ok so you only got 7,000 people to show up at UT and you actually believe that all of them there voted, and if they did vote, they voted for Ron Paul? You leave no room for error using exact figures. Let me point out the real miracle of the Ron Paul campaign here for you…
Considering how big of a city that Austin is 709,893 (as of 2006), 7,000 people is a really small number (0.09%) of Austin’s population. Considering that Obama managed to “stuff” Reunion Arena in Dallas with well over 34,000, you have to wonder how well Ron Paul really has done. In his OWN state alone, Ron Paul failed to win his own district or any other county in Texas.
Let us look at the numbers:
John McCain: 707,622
Mike Huckabee: 521,950
Ron Paul: 69,824
Remember this is Texas, a state that Reelected Holy Roller Governor Rick Perry (Lt. Governor under Bush, chosen so that non-denominational Bush could get the evangelical vote) with a whopping 33% of the vote. Also remember that there were 5 Candidates running against Rick Perry. 1 of the “3rd Party” Candidates was a Republican running as an Independent. The other two were Libertarian-Liberal Kinky Friedman and Libertarian James Werner.
I hate to say it but there is a very big reason why Ron Paul lost. He just looks like a kook due to the efforts of his supporters. Normally politicians try to distance themselves away from their Kooky Supporters (see McCain and Pastor John Hagee), but Ron Paul needing all of the support he can get does not have this option. So thus goes Ron Paul and his poor campaigning skills.
Look, the Ralph Nader Campaign could make the same argument...
Ron Paul on a national Election, if held today would receive less than 25% of the vote. Ron Paul ran a crappy campaign to say the least. 70% (doubtfull) of the American people want out of Iraq. So of that 70% who voted for Obama or Ron Paul? Is it possible that other issues outweighed the Iraq War issue?
Why would either party try to fraud the votes of a Candidate that could only get 7,000 (0.09% of Austin) people at a rally in Austin? There are churches and bad country singers that do better than that every Sunday in Texas. Blaming Ron Paul's failure on anything other than Ron Paul himself is bullsh*t!
Campaign Signs in lawns on the side of the road don't = votes.
There is probably some truth to what Lloyd Kempson is saying as well as to those who disagree. Ron Paul has not run a brilliant campaign. Added to that was the fact that Paul's ideas are very unpopular with his political party--he is against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, one cannot deny that there was incredible media bias against Ron Paul. He was always referred to as someone with little or no chance of winning. His name was omitted from polls so he was always marginalized. We never got a chance to see Ron Paul go one-on-one against John McCain. If we had, Ron Paul would have decimated him.
I don't know anyone who really likes McCain. I live in Austin and I never saw a McCain sign there, nor did I ever meet anyone who was going to vote for him. I know a number of Republicans voted for Clinton--this is the only reason Hillary won the first vote.
Hopefully, conservatives in Pennsylvania will really let their voices be heard with many votes for Ron Paul.
As soon as your campaign starts getting labeled as a "cult" or "following" you know you're in trouble and should start distancing yourself from your tin foil hat wearing supporters. Unfortunately for Ron Paul those are the only supporters he has.
It's not enough to be right, you have to actually get elected. Blaming voters and making yourself a "victim" of fraud and media isolation is not going to help.
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