Topic: Ron Paul
Ron Paul is a Quitter!!!!!!!!! Ron Paul by putting the cart before the horse (i.e. Lofty ideas...before Vote Integrity) has spoiled the whole basket of apples. Instead of clearing it up, he's walking away.by Jessie James Jones, Jr
(Libertarian)
Saturday, March 8, 2008
Damnit!!!!! I could've been voting for Cindy Sheehan right now!!!!!
Who gives a flying spec of manure about Ron Paul? I now have the obvious standard for whether a candidate is real…if he makes his campaign about Vote Fraud first (not only but first) then he or she is a real candidate if not they are full of shit!!!!!! Paul is nothing more than a diversion. I’ve had my reservations about Ron Paul since the first "status of the campaign" video. He is a hack, a quitter and more important a fraud. He’s put more effort into hocking his little book than intelligently STRATEGICALLY and legitimately running for President. Also, he keeps saying that he doesn’t want this r3VOLution to lie on his shoulders. What a punk!! Every movement whether from the top down or the bottom up needs a leader or leadership, him flatly refusing the role is cowardly. It also proves that if he has "worked for 30 years" for this day to come about and for him to flatly walk away from seeing it through means that he really doesn’t care about it coming to pass. Below is a comment post I made that sums up my feelings for Robber Paul and remember these are my feelings so any attempts to "correct me" is fruitless, this is how I feel and I’ll bet every dollar in my pocket I’m not alone in thinking it….BTW I want my donation back!!!!!
"How are you going to get on YouTube, say that your campaign (which excuse me it's our campaign considering you didn't have the money to run this far and it was donated) is coming to an end, then try to hock your little book, then say that, the march on Washington (which was your idea) you're going to say that you don't want to have anything to do with the planning, yet suggest a date, then say you may or may not show up???????? What the flip? Kind of man-ish now that you have $6 million of other people’s money in you’re pocket huh?First, Ron Paul's monetary policy is flawed. The question is why did the Revolutionary war start? No, it's not tea and no it's not "no taxation without representation". It's because the Americas were printing their own money out of thin air and the King wasn’t having it. He felt like we had racked up a debt during the French and Indian War and we had to pay for it. So instead of paying for it, we started printing our own money which meant we didn’t have to pay taxes. The King didn’t like it so he started putting the Stamp Act and other legislation out to get the money to pay the bills anyway necessary. When you think about it in this manner, you can sort of see why they thought of us as ungrateful spoiled brats. Oh well, we still kick their British Buttock so who cares...
But we stumbled on something great that we lost which is a fiat currency is the ultimate weapon against tyranny. If we had a currency whose interest rate was not controlled by a central bank (i.e. interest free notes), nor back by gold (which if we switched to a monetary system backed by gold...big secret aloud...THE PEOPLE WITH MONEY WOULD TOO AND ALL THEY'D HAVE TO DO IS CONTROL THAT IN THE SAME FASHION, we had a gold backed currency and they still slid in the Federal Reserve Act...but if we had a currency printed by the Treasury and used it to pay off the Federal Reserve Bonds, close the Federal Reserve and switch to a 100% reserve banking policy instead of a 10% reserve banking system (or fractional reserve system) then that would pay of the debt in a matter of months...we'd have instead of a "sound monetary policy with precious metal backing" we'd have a sound banking system with our debt paid off and most importantly a real export, a solid and sound store of wealth. The video that needs to be seen in order to understand this fully is "The Money Masters." It's on Google video. It's 3.5 hours though so you squeamish people who are riding high on the bandwagon it’s time to get off because this is some grown folks business.
But getting back to my assertion, I think Ron Paul is an answer to a question which is...What do we do with all these dissidents in order to make them get out of the way while we get our candidates through because we don't want their idle fingers working against us? The answer, we give them a candidate that largely gives voice to their beliefs, yet pays lip services to real solutions; has no real goal of winning or making changes; and in the end, really wouldn't or couldn't change anything.I'll end by saying this...if Ron Paul was a REAL REAL candidate. The very first thing he would promote or make central to his campaign is this...VOTE INTEGRITY!!!!!!!
How can you talk about liberty, how can you discuss foreign policy, how can you go on a diatribe about the IRS, without talking about the very basic subversion of civil liberty, the very foundation of a constitutional republic which is vote integrity. Who cares about this whole process if the votes don't count? I'm not talking to the ardent Paul supporters...you guys are sheepel. I'm talking to the one's who were pimped to this game a long time ago. Ron Paul is nothing more than a poll taker. They wanted to know three things with the Ron Paul r3VOLution which is how many people agree with anything he says at least believe enough to vote for it and TRUST ME they know the actual number, the second was how far can we manipulate the vote (it seems as though they were literally going state by state trying different levels of voter suppression or fraud), and third can we pacify the people simply by having the candidate mute or downplay vote fraud implications simply by not bringing it up or at times having an awe shucks we almost had'em but let's look to the next state...p.s. a oneliner on website doesn't count. I guess it's kinda hard focusing on Vote Fraud when your thinking about what you're going to do with all that "money" when the campaign "enters into it's next phase" The thing that ticks me off the most is that the establishment now knows our tactics...they have our candidate play book so watch for a new campaign finance reform bill addressing the internet. But interesting how that money ticker suddenly came off his page the same day. If anything he should have it countdown instead of up and have line items of what he's spending the money on instead of who's the last person to contribute. But I guess he doesn't want to remind us how much money he actually took us for and remind us exactly what we could've done with that 100 dollar donation right about now. For someone who thinks that the Federal Reserve Notes are worthless peices of paper he sure has no problem with accepting, hoarding and not returning them and seek more by selling his book. If anything that damn book should be free with all the money that was contributed. At least then I could get some satisfaction by pissing on it.
Also, if he truly believes what he said, then why is he still a Republican??? Paul remaining a Republican just reaffirms the status quo which, I feel, was his job. If the Republican Party is SOO wrong then why is he still in the same house. It's like living with the devil and trying to get him to repent and staying in the same house on the justification of the house being warm. It's nothing wrong with calling out the Republicans as wrong, it's alright trying to get them to change their ways but if their views are so opposite and so "wrong" then why stay in the same Party. Why NOT run as a third party candidate to prove you're serious about your message. The answer is…kiddies please close your ears...he really isn't that different than any other candidate in the Republican Party, he has already got our money and doesn't have to give it back, and he has refocused his efforts to selling us crappy books with delusions of grandeur all in the meanwhile working up another hairbrained scheme to trade more false hope for money. Ron Paul you have seriously disappointed me by leading so many astray. If you would've stayed out we'd be voting for Cindy Sheehan right now...and I guarantee you she would've won and damn sure would've stayed in the fight...money or no money!!!!!!!!
P.S. You know why Bernanke smirks whenever Ron Paul is "grilling" him during those house meetings...because he's thinking..."I own you. You work for me."
Unless we can get Sheehan on the balot, I'm voting Nader...he's wrong as shit constitutionally but at least he doesn't quit and most importantly HE IS AWARE OF VOTER SUPRESSION!!!! Nader/Sheehan ???
P.P.S I love this little thing here...
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Well, I am not quite as cynical, but I understand your frustration. I do get the sense that we have been left to our own devices. As far as debt, what about all the $ held by foreigners?
We have such fear because sometimes we feel we're losing. There is a Dr. Steve Parent on Daily Paul site with such vital information that everyone needs to look at it and refocus. Please have faith. We know so little about this complex voting system - I believe the exposure of the fraud will come to light, but right now we need the delegates and nobody seems to know how many we really have - Check it out www.dailypaul.com/node/36650
Wake up, Ron Paul got people to come together. People are active in government now. They are delegates, they are PCPs. He isn't quitting, he won his Congress relection. He still is in the race. Quit turning into the major MSM. Compared to 1 year ago, wow what a change. Get involved with some of these representatives and senators that are running. We have 15 people now running for Congress with the ideals. Yeah, that happened because of Ron. So, write some articles on Murray Sabin or Jim Forsythe.
Adam, you are seriously a joke. Ron Paul lied to bring people together, did a half assed job while they were together, and now that he's done...he wants us to buy a FUCKING BOOK!!!!!!!! And you try to label me MSM simply because I said something you didn't like. Clearly you are 15 year old kid whose picked up some vocabulary along the way from being in a couple of blogs. P.S. you personally attack someone who didn't personally attack you they attack back...
"I donated $1000 and worked 120 hrs at a meetup group and all I got was a lousy book."
When is it time to get pissed off people...seriously!!!!!!!! When the next candidate takes your money. All I know is next time we need to set up a 501 c and money bomb that so that if the candidate doesn't win...we...THE PEOPLE...still have the money....
And again...I think it's so funny. He doesn't think he needs to organize a march (eh hm he means pay for organizing a march) but he can hold and spend our money???? What kind of bull shit is that????
First of all, I will not discuss your confusion. You are so confused about Ron Paul that is confusing (Am I redundant here?) I guess it is better to leave you alone with that confusion so you can sort it out on your own. RP can not possibly be more real!
I guess the attacks against him are to be expected, since he is there, still standing, still a candidate. I believe the establishment was not expecting him to cope with the many humiliations and attacks.
Any way, it would be nice you learn what is a "libertarian". You will find out that our funding fathers were very libertarians and that there is no conflict in being both a Libertarian and a Republican at the same time. You are a jouornalist and ingnorance on the meaning of the terms you use is not an excuse.
Well, there's five minutes gone I wish I had back, a total waste of time. (It didn't take five minutes to read the tripe the first time, but I re-read it twice just to make sure what you were saying.)
As was said above, you need to learn about paragraphs. I'll overlook all the blatant grammatical errors and run-on sentences because I think the message is the important thing in any writing, and I'll cut you some slack on your compositional shortcomings. (Everyone makes mistakes and I'm sure this post will have some.)
You should also learn a little tact and get a new vocabulary because when someone resorts to cursing such as you did in your post, it leads me to believe they've problems controlling their anger. It's definitely a sign of immaturity and a lack of respect for one's readers. Who are you writing for? Roughnecks? Sailors? The Teamsters?
You think you'll win converts to your POV by insulting? Think again, JJJJunior. You sound like a petulant little boy who, when he figures out he can't win at a game, wants to take his ball and go home. Sheeple? You think RP supporters can be led around by the nose? You show massive ignorance with that pejorative. I've never seen a more diverse bunch of people behind a candidate. NO ONE leads me by the nose, NO ONE. I'm behind Ron Paul not so much because of his policies (I don't agree with all of them) but because he is still the one candidate in all of this campaign who has integrity.
Ron Paul DOES represent the Republican Party, at least the one that it was intended to be. Lower taxes, smaller govt., a return to fiscal responsibility, etc. and so forth. He's trying to bring the Grand Old Party back to its roots, back to a true conservative ideal. You sound as if you're anything but a conservative. (you must have lied when you answered the questions on the chart or perhaps you didn't understand them?) You sound just like a typical lib. whiner: insulting, foul-mouthed and childish. Actually, I know many liberals who can make a much better argument than can you.
And why would we be "squeamish" for not wanting to watch a 3 1/2 hr. video? I've much better things to do, such as count the stars in the sky. Once again, I would advise you that insulting people is no way to influence them, at least not in the way you would prefer. I'm insulting you because you deserve it, and mind you, what Mr. Rink had to say to you was no insult. (unless you've got tissue paper for skin) In fact, you're WORSE than the MSM with the drivel you've posted.
(I printed out your massive missive and put it in the bottom of my parrot's cage and as he "decorated" it, he uttered the first words I've ever heard him speak: "Awwk! That's redundant! Awwk!")
Cindy Sheehan? Good Grief, now I've seen it all. I thought you were joking at first, but.... I'd NEVER vote for Nader, not even if RP was his VP and I wouldn't vote for Sheehan if Christ Himself was her running mate. Other than going off the deep end after her boy was killed (God Bless him), she hasn't a single qualification for ANY office. God Bless her too, but she's more insane than McCain.
You've had it then, with Dr. Paul and all his supporters? Good. Please leave; we don't need fair-weather bandwagon riders who hop off at the first bump. You give the Revolution a bad name. Maybe we can take up a collection, reimburse you for your (doubtful) donation to RP. Would you be wanting that in gold or sugar teats?
Come back when you grow up some. Strike that, not "some" but "a lot".
You are so very wrong in everything you just said.
We are all now stupider for reading this.
I agree with Quinduno 100%.
Also, Money Masters is a steamy load. If fiat money is so good then why is it every time a gov issues fiat money it becomes worthless over time? And why do gov's with hard currencies see such stable rates over time? (Google Swiss monetary policy) Duh, because when money is actually backed by something, people feel more comfortable saving it. When money is not backed, people spend it before they even get it, thus you have a nation of credit debt. (Google the Liberty dollar, what a sad day in a "free" country).
After reading your article, I find that the only one who let us down more than Ron Paul is YOU. How can a guy with all the answers (more, it seems, than Ron Paul)... one who holds all this vast knowledge (more, it seems, than Ron Paul)... not run for President? By not doing so, you have outdone Ron Paul at the things of which you accuse him. You have let us down!!! How dare you!!!!!
I just read JJ's other 2 articles here on Nolan. Scoll up just above the coments here to "More articles by...". Great insight into the intellect of this writer, if he can be called such.
The lack of attention to vote fraud has had me aggravated for a long time. It is the most serious attempt at turning our once democratic republic into a totalitarianism. The fact that some of Ron Paul's campaign staff got paid $1000 a day with our money while we did all the work has had me pretty pissed, too. They really did a pretty lousy job at marketing, also. Everyone in the country should know about Ron Paul by now but apparently they don't.
But the fact that Ron is quitting now has me angrier than anything else and completely devastated. You don't just bring all this hope to the American people in a time when their country is teetering on the brink of disaster and then suddenly decide you can't win based on some arbitrary reason.
It may be that Ron's family was threatened if he stayed in the race. But this doesn't address the rest of the issues just mentioned.
On the other hand, I once respected Cindy Sheehan, but now that she's announced herself to be a progressive (translation: regressive), and is chummy, chummy with Hugo Chavez, I wouldn't vote for her for a million bucks. Nader is another story, he may want socialism, but I can't see him hobnobbing with a dictator.
Jesse James Jones, Jr. is an excellent example of the worst kind of Paul supporter. Take a good look, people, if you wonder why some were so put off by Paul because of some of the loudmouthed idiots dishing out abuse on the internet in his name. If anyone ever called you a "Paultard" or the like, here's your reason. And now, true to type, he viciously turns on the very people he claimed to stand shoulder to shoulder with a few scant months ago. Like a little kid throwing a tantrum because Santa didn't deliver the prize from his magic sled. Fair weather patriots. I'll say again what I've said elsewhere, this was never going to be easy. The voters are not ready for this message, powerful forces are arrayed against it, and Ron Paul cannot do this job all by himself, never could. This is progress, but it will take time to educate more people to the truth of the positions. To keep this movement going, first step: eject the idiots, jerks and crybabies. And watch out for phonies, trying to demoralise the faithful. I wouldn't doubt that Ju-Ju-Ju-Junior is one of those.
The writing is on the wall, Ron Paul or not! Get with it! As SOVERIEGN people we are becoming increasing tired of being ruled. I don't need Ron Paul to know that.
I have never, not once, heard Ron say he has QUIT!!! What I have heard him say was that the time has come to the next phase of the Revolution, Our Country has not gotten this screwed up in just one election cycle... it has taken many! It will, without a doubt take many more for US to Change It Back. Unfortunately, for many of us, we may never see it happen. I am nearly 60 years old with heart disease & diabetes, taking 14 different (& very expensive, I might add) medications daily. Insurance companies laughed at loud to my face the last time I tried to buy insurance. Social Security & Medicare ... while it still beats the hell out of whatever comes in second, is less than sufficient. Between co-pays & the pharmacy bills I still come up way short. I recall, as a younger man caring for my aging and ill parents, saying I would rue the day that I would ever burden my two children with the same responsibility. Well folks ... that day came all too soon!
I knew the first time I listened to Ron & his message that I had but one last opportunity to make a difference in the lives of my six grand children. For the first time in my entire life, I felt like there was hope! ,,, that there really was someone out there who cared, who could make a difference. But it was only after hearing Ron tell a reporter on TV, in response to a question about how Ron hoped to be thought of and he said he "wanted to be like the President of Sweden" and when the reporter asked him why, Ron said "can you tell me the name of the President of Sweden?" The reporter said no and Ron said ..."exactly"!
I had the opportunity to meet & have my picture made with Ron Paul last month at a rally in Lake Jackson, Tx. After standing in the line for well over an hour, it was finally my turn to approach him, shake his hand and speak to him in my normal voice. I asked him if he would hug me and tell me that "it was going to be ok". He did, I told him that I loved him, I shook his hand and told him how proud I was of that moment in my life and that I thanked him for his love of our country and for his courage. He said to me .. "keep the faith" and I moved on. I have never believed that this was about the man named Ron Paul. This was, is and shall always be about America!
You guys can say whatever you want but it's interesting that I started out by saying these are my feelings yet I have so many people here trying to address this as if I'm stating fact.
It's interesting that you supposed pseudo republitarians with your still warm voter registration cards take so much stride in asailing someone else's beliefs....even if they are based on facts lol. Pathetic...keep giving.
You know what this reminds me of is a sleazy preacher whose congregation gets him a Rolls Royce simply because they want him to be riding in style.
So let me get this straight...you guys have no problem with giving him money and he quits without telling you specifically what he's doing with it???
Are you serious!!!!! At least during the election there was a general direction and purpose (i.e. win the election) what is the general purpose now. Help him sell books??? There is no game plan because he doesn't plan on winnin the game.
P.S. your responses are great because with responses like these to peoples opinions especially of one who actually believed in the campaign even when I knew his monetary policy stunk...it's a lock that more people won't be lead to enter into this chinese finger trap that is the r3VOLution. Because now they know what they can expect when they offer a new or opposing idea or opinion.
I find that Ron Paul the man has done a fine job of what he set out to do. Despite failings in his campaign's machinery in so many ways I lack the motivation to go into, Dr. Paul is nothing but a gentleman and a statesman. Accept him as such and you'll love him. Attempt to push your own values and expectations on him, and you'll most likely feel the way that the author of the original article does.
I also find the original article to be a bit excessive in its use of vulgarity. I'm not adverse to a 'fuck' here or an 'asshole' there for dramatic impact, but when you go over the top with it, I think it takes away from the core of the sentiment which one is trying to get across.
"P.S. your responses are great because with responses like these to peoples opinions especially of one who actually believed in the campaign even when I knew his monetary policy stunk...it's a lock that more people won't be lead to enter into this chinese finger trap that is the r3VOLution. Because now they know what they can expect when they offer a new or opposing idea or opinion."
You are absolutely correct, "No More Compromises!"
Ron Paul DID challenge states on voter fraud. He also said he would be in the race as long as the support and money allowed. Well, the money did not. I've watched gthe total STAGNATE at 6 million and change for almost two monts. He probably spent it and does not have money to blitz the remaining states.
If we asked for a checkbook leger of what he spent the money on, I'm pretty sure he'd give it to us. If he did not, I would be surprized and hurt.
I ask that with all fondness, having read your other blogs. Believe me, I understand your frustration.
I don't think he is gone. I think he is out of sight at the moment, and we are left to our own devises to spread the message and keep the revolution connected and alive and ready for the next phase. What is that phase? Would he runt third party if there isn't a surprise at Convention?
Don't know.
Maybe if he doesn't, he endorses someone or we find someone to carry the message.
I came into this late but you were all billed as the revolution that found its candidate, and quite a candidate he is. I don't know if we'll find someone else with a 20 year voting record like that.
But as you say, the grass roots efforts made this extraordinary and I think what we need to do is keep them together, not disillusioned and ready to check back out of the process. Maybe he'll head our ticket. Maybe he won't.
He did make it clear he would still 'take a large part' in the resolution. Maybe he can't do that in a Republican campaign if he won't be a Republican candidate. Maybe he agrees with you that his campaign staff sucked, and is giving this to the more effective grass roots while he builds a different structure.
Keep the faith for a month or so, and keep the revolution together.
I gave the max and don't begrudge Dr. Paul the money. And I don't mind buying his book and hope he does well there financially. I have supported him in his campaigns in Texas from out of State for years.
But, I do think the campaign was run poorly. If I remember right he won handily in Spokane. Why? My guess is that it was the work on the ground. So, since it was obvious we would not get a break from the MSM we should probably have forgone expensive ads etc., and concentrated on organization.
I made several suggestions to the campaign that were totally ignored without reply. Leaves one feeling an arrogance on the part of the campaign.
Nonetheless, the message is right. I have 13 years on Rick so the education process will have to be left to you younger folks. There has to be an emphasis on what brings us together, and I believe it is liberty. Beyond that we represent a broad diversity of opinion, as evidenced in these comment fields here and otherwise.
If Dr. Paul has a plan to get on the ticket, then fine. But, if not, then in my view he owes us a recommendation concerning the general election. Just a bunch of cheerleading from the Austrian section won't get it.
I can leave a message about your feelings just as well as I can about facts. You're off your rocker--that's how I feel and nothing's gonna change my feeling.
Go home and wait for Cindy Sheehan to run for office. The rest of us have work to do. Or better yet, run for office yourself and see how many people you can influence to focus on voter fraud alone. You discredit yourself and don't even realize it. Might make you appreciate the way Ron Paul has done it. Focus only on one issue and you're a gonner before you even get started.
Do you know the storey of, The " Little engine that could" ? Its on the web. Reminds me about a song stanza, keep your eyes on the road ahead, hands on the wheel, republicans and democrats kissing in the back seat. By the way watch for the bumps.
He is still a candidate for the Republican nomination. So all your venomous hot air was for naught. If you were so worried about your contribution to his campaign, you never should have given it.
Ron Paul is the only candidate for the presidency with honesty, integrity and honor. Ron Paul, singlehandedly, took on the entire corrupt enterprise that is ruling the United States. He literally risked everything to educate the American people and try to save this country.
Your article is a disgrace, and you should be ashamed. I think you should keep your "feelings" to yourself from now on, so you don't humiliate yourself. Your premise is false, so your article is worthless.
Ron Paul is a man of his word. He said he would stay in the race, and he will. If he were all about money, as you claim, why does he not accept his congressional pension? Why does he return money to the Treasury every year? Why did he treat patients for free in his medical practice? Why does he not accept corporate donations? Your article is a bunch of BS. Period.
Here is a letter posted by Rand Paul, Ron's son, yesterday. Read it! Then you can come back and apologize.
Rand Paul: Is the Revolution Over or Just Beginning?
by Rand Paul MD | March 8, 2008
Reports that Ron Paul has quit the Presidential Race remind me of Mark Twain's famous quote, "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." The Ron Paul Presidential campaign continues, albeit at a different pace.
What does that mean?
Ron Paul will continue to contest the remaining primaries. Ron Paul's name will be on all the remaining state ballots. Ron Paul volunteers are encouraged to become precinct captains, delegates to state and national conventions, and to try pass Constitutional proposals to each state's Republican platform.
For example, volunteers in each state should try to attach amendments such as the following: Republicans believe that war should only be fought after a proper Declaration of War by Congress. Another possible platform idea is that: Republican Congressmen are expected to vote against any federal budget, Republican or Democrat, that is not balanced.
Want to have some fun? Just imagine the fun when the debate begins on these ideas.
Is Ron Paul still campaigning for president? Yes. Ron Paul has tentative plans to campaign in Pennsylvania and Kentucky. Ron Paul will also likely appear in other states that have remaining primaries.
The press is reporting that Ron Paul has quit the race. This is not true. Ron Paul's video simply acknowledges that the campaign will continue but will also transform into additional activities such as education and supporting other candidates. In Kentucky we just held precinct conventions and Ron Paul Republicans won hundreds of precinct captains. In Kyle Texas, Craig Young upset the establishment choice for Republican County Chairman.
The Ron Paul Revolution lives on! Victory comes in many forms. Help shape what the Ron Paul revolution becomes.
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Date: 2008-03-09 21:48:21
Hey dummy,
Hate to burst your bubble, but donating to a candidate doesn't mean they will win; you should have known that before you "wasted your money".
You are the inarticulate punk. Let me explain. There hasn't been such a relevant candidate in an election since god knows when. Go donate to McCain, at least he has a better chance of winning the election, and therefore you wouldn't have wasted your money.
You should be calling out against the blatant vote fraud and the stupidity of the republican party as a whole.
I don't give a flying flip about what his son has to say. I would say that too if I just got a big fat trust fund with other people's money. Besides I didn't campaign for Rand Paul so Rand should shut his mouth. Ron Paul should stop sending his son to do his job for him. Unless he has something to say about where the money is going, I quite frankly don't care.
Ron Paul is a diversion...his son having his back isn't commendable, or convincing it's predictable. It's called being biased.
You know you'd make an excellent defense attorney. Because all you'd do is bring witnesses who have a vested interest with the outcome of the case to testify and I'm sure in the wonky world you live in, the jury would have no choice but to believe them.
Nolan Chart - IMHO you shouldn't publish garbage like this if you are attempting to promote freedom.
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JJ - I can tell you by this quote alone
"these are my feelings so any attempts to "correct me" is fruitless, this is how I feel and I’ll bet every dollar in my pocket I’m not alone in thinking it"
that you are a liberal. Never mind what you thought or what anyone or any chart told you. Liberals love to argue from feelings; it relieves them of any need to make sense, use facts, know history, or have any principles. You feel it, (and so do "others") so therefore it is somehow transformed into a valid argument.
No. Your feelings mean nothing. All that matters is ideas, and the real, factual results of their being put into action.
Further proof that you are a PC liberal is your thinking; it is confused and chaotic. You make no sense at all when discussing money. Please, do not do it anymore. Unsuspecting fools might mistakenly think that you were an actual libertarian actually discussing actual monetary policy, and come to the erroneous conclusion that we all "thought" as you do. You make all of us look bad.
As to your concern with elections, while I'm sure it is well intended, in the end it misses the point. Let me explain by way of a question: what difference would it make in America if every single person voted on every issue possible, and all votes were counted honestly? The correct answer is that things would be no better than they are now, perhaps even worse. In fact, most people want most things that government does to continue when asked off the top of their heads. Everybody expressing their opinion doesn't do anything to make us free. Voting (and therefore vote fraud) means nothing when there is no difference between the choices anyway.
That is what made the Paul campaign so special. We finally had a real choice.
In any case, he didn't quit, and there's nothing wrong with him writing and selling a book. Most public figures do it, and big-time intellectuals such as Paul ought to do it. It's a public service. In fact, I'm going to write a book myself. You know, I think that's your problem JJ, you haven't read enough books; certainly not by the right people. If you did some more reading, you'd say fewer stupid things, and you might come to understand why people like Ron Paul write books and sell them - to educate hot-airheads like you.
Quit complaining and learn how to be a real leader yourself. You can start the process by growing up a little and publicly apologizing for this stupid piece of junk "article"
For those lambasting my intellect, I assure you I have the ability to construct a grammatically correct essay with proper diction and syntax. However, tell me who said the statement below?
All message has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
Put two and two together my former Paublican brothers and sisters... I don't think you're that intelligent. But prove me wrong and continue donating without any real direction. Keep paying a $1000 per day for his staffers or jet hours on his private jet. Prove me wrong with your faith as time continues to run out!! Prove me wrong...idiots.
Dude, you don't make any sense. There is no private jet. You're hyperventilating.
A fantastic bullcrap claim like that is more evidence that you are no libertarian. Stop calling yourself one.
As for donating - when it mattered, we donated plenty. If you had checked the RP presidential site lately, you'd have realized that we AREN'T donating much anymore anyway. We took care of the Congressional campaign, and that's pretty much it. The real work is on the ground, figuring out how to bypass the corrupt media, which Trevor Lyman and his people are working on, and getting other Ron Paul republicans elected, which is also already happening, and also energizing those independent thinkers who now realize, due to the Paul campaign, just how corrupt the MSMedia is.
We have our direction. Perhaps it is you who have lost yours. Actually, I think you've lost more than just direction; you sound like Saruman did when he rejected Gandalf - shrill, hateful, and evil. You've obviously turned away from freedom to gnaw on what is clearly an old bone for you - voter fraud - which, I guess, is convenient for your ego. Freedom is hard to get. Maybe you're just not up to the task of fighting for it.
It's not just me who doesn't believe in him and it's not just me who has the same view. Why do you think that money stopped coming in so much so that he had to practically beg for it like a street bum on each one of those youtube videos.
I suggest that a 501(c)(3) be established next time to make sure that when the money is donated to a cause it stays in the cause and not with the candidate...especially one as inept as Paul. If that were the case, I probably wouldn't be as pissed. However, that could only be established with a separate party being formed or by joining...I DON'T KNOW...THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY!!!!!!!!
Briman...that was cute. Remember when you want to be a big boy the Be a columnist button is at the top of the page not the bottom. So you just keep practicing and one day you can get enough courage to hit it like I did.
Anyways, him listening to me or those like me would mean he'd still be in the running...REALLY RUNNING NOT RUNNING FOR SHOW SO PEOPLE DON'T ASK WHERE IS THE MONEY. Listening to people like me would mean his campaign would still be vibrant with a clear direction. His campaign is composed of people who are not "hip to the game" of politics and they want something for their money or they want to know where their money is going. So either he needs to publicly call for a move to the Libertarian Party or create a 501 (c)(3) that contributes to his campaign and to the RP congress. If he doesn't he is screwed and all that money is going to waste. P.S. while you all were sleeping 15 people have clicked that thumbs up button. Ron Paul fucked up. He is out of touch and if he thinks that we are going to fall for the ol' I'm broke excuse he's stupid. You religious supporters are ridiculous. He is a politician, a representative. Had we held our representatives to the fire from the beginning then we wouldn't be in this mess from the start. That's what I learned from Ron Paul...even if I learned it from him fucking up!!!! So here is what he needs to do NOW like tomorrow.
IF HE WANTS A MARCH ON WASHINGTON HE NEEDS TO ORGANIZE IT AND PAY FOR IT...SHIT HE SHOULD SERVE DRINKS AND BRING THE CD'S FOR ALL THE MONEY AND WORK THAT WENT INTO THE CAMPAIGN
IF HE EXPECTS MORE MONEY THEN HE NEEDS TO SHOW A CLEAR DIRECTION 1 YEAR PLAN 2 YEAR PLAN 3 YEAR PLAN 4 YEAR PLAN AND THUS
HE NEEDS TO STOP BITCHING ABOUT THIRD PARTIES AND SWITCH TO THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY AND RAISE MONEY BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT ELECTION TO GET ON EVERY BALLOT AND IN THE NATIONAL DEBATE WITH A CLEAR ROCK FUCKING SOLID PLAN FOR SUCCESS NOT CLOSE NOT ALMOST NOT WE STILL DID GOOD...NO!!!!! SUCCESS
AND HE NEEDS TO HAVE A DEBATE WITH BILL STILL ON HIS MONETARY POLICY BECAUSE HIS GOLD STANDARD PROPOSAL IS SERIOUS FLAWED. I.E. IF YOU NEED GOLD FOR YOUR CURRENCY THEN YOU'RE STILL CONTROLLED BY THOSE WHO HAVE THE GOLD YOU NEED.
But what do I know...I'm just a pissed off former supporter. I'm just the death knell of the r3VOLution...why should you listen to me? Especially since no movement has ever died because too many people supported it; it died because too many people got pissed off and left it. Yeah ignore me. You so smart...yes you are ...you just a wittle smarty smarty....
You can't blame the MSM for anything. They'll equally throw anyone under the bus. Remember first it was Guiliani then Thompson then Romney then Huckabee. The MSM is like the slutty girl in school that goes around fucking everybody. Yet, when she doesn't give you any you want to catch an attitude. Well if she's a slut then the reason she's not giving you any doesn't have anything to do with her it has something to do with you.
If Ron Paul wasn't intelligent enough to use the media to his advantage, then he wasn't intelligent enough to be President. Plain and simple...that's with the premise that he even wanted to be President in the first place.
JJ because of what you wrote here i decided to change my vote and i will no longer vote for Ron Paul.
SIKE!
Actually I feel you are correct about one matter in that Ron Paul should send your broke ass a refund. I also feel he should deficate in the envelope and send you his hot steamy pile along with your refund.
Posted By: Richard Brodie
Date: 2008-03-10 09:50:23
We will all write in his name come November and give McCain the defeat he deserves, while at the same time hastening the economic collapse that the American people so richly deserve for failing to choose the one candidate who could have spared us the grief. And this is not as retributive as it may sound. The sooner we have to suffer the less that suffereing will have to be, and the more likely it is that we will be able to see Ron Paul in the Whitehouse in 2012.
As for "putting principles before votes, yes, that's why Ron Paul won't likely win, but it doesn't illustrate his failure, it illustrates the absolute failure of the American people. Votes and voting integrity should be based on principles and lofty ideals. Little things like "freedom", "honesty" and "liberty".
That Americans seem content to gamble with their votes, hoping to pick the next American Presidential Idol, isn't a sign that Ron Paul is a failure.
As for "putting principles before votes, yes, that's why Ron Paul won't likely win, but it doesn't illustrate his failure, it illustrates the absolute failure of the American people. Votes and voting integrity should be based on principles and lofty ideals. Little things like "freedom", "honesty" and "liberty".
That Americans seem content to gamble with their votes, hoping to pick the next American Presidential Idol, isn't a sign that Ron Paul is a failure.
Posted By: Jeremiah Johnson
Date: 2008-03-10 13:27:50
Ron Paul didn't take anyones money. People gave it to the Ron Paul campaign. People gave it fully understanding that he could also lose. However, the race is not over yet and there is much left to be done. The nomination could very well be won by Ron Paul yet. A lot of young patriots(some young at heart) are standing up and taking the march(through political means) to be delegates at St. Paul, Minnesota in September. I am going to try to get on the rules committee and push forward to have majority be defined as 66% of the total delegates. Then even if McCain does get 1191 bound delegates(I doubt he will), he still won't have a win and it will go to a brokered convention.
So Jeremiah you're actually defending theft on his part you...I think my next article will be titled. Ron Paul found a lottery ticket: It's called the r3VOLution. Money to be withdrawn at will, just insert false hope, an IOU, and a good excuse.
Can you read Wizard Dave where did I criticize his use of funds for a congressional race. Where? You need to read...like put letters together to form words then those words together to form meaning then those individual meanings together to get a clue...because you sound...base!!!!!!!!!
Ron Paul would not have won even if he had all of the publicity in the world. The media villianized Ron Paul and his supporters. A lot of Ron Paul supporters are extreme people and that may have been part of his problem. In fact, I would argue that Ron Paul’s supporters may have been too diverse. Now, to address the article itself, I hate to read that much cursing; I am sure you could have expressed yourself in a more intelligible way and broken the paper up into more paragraphs or used more headings to lead the reader because it got confusing at times. So my responses will be in the order of the article.
Leadership was lacking in the campaign. Maybe we should have asked ourselves, “Who has this man lead?” I had never even HEARD of Ron Paul before he ran. That turned out to be a bigger problem than we anticipated.
While I understand Ron Paul’s mantra that the campaign belongs to the people, I think it was a bad idea. Ron Paul thought like a grassroots campaign even though he was rolling in dough. I don’t think he knewhow to be a first tier candidate.
As a Florida voter, I think vote fraud is an issue. Until it backfires on the Republicans, there will be no change.
Ron Paul’s ideals are Republican. The candidates in the Republican party are not Republican. Ron Paul’s campaign was disappointing but I expected the loss. American people want a candidate with charisma and Ron Paul is not that person. Ron Paul is a realist and that was his biggest downfall.
I think that Ron Paul may have had the "this will never happen to me" mentality. The same mentality that all candidates have. No one is a vote fraud candidate until it happens to them. In fact, I was never a vote fraud candidate until it happened to me...Viva la Florida!
I agree Rika. He did believe that it wouldn't happen to him which proves that he came into this COMPLETELY unprepared. But him coming unprepared is not exceptable anymore. Though others on this board are stupid to believe that their love letters and pep talks to Ron Paul are actually read by him don't be fooled. Why in the world would he read that? It doesn't move or promote action. All it does, at best, is sustain. I had three objectives with this article and they have all been realized.
1) Write an article that would be visable to anyone searching for Ron Paul on google news such that Ron Paul or a member of his staff would have no choice but to read it.
2) Apply is own standard of speaking to the dumbest in that he would realize that anyone reading this would know exactly what I'm talking about and would lay out a simple premise of theft on his part and mismanagement.
3) Expose to him the ignorance of those who "support" him. Let me ask you something if you love and support a child does that mean you never discipline them? Of course not. This is his discipline and he recognizes that and that is the reason you see the new resurgence in his campaign. If a politician sees 5 good articles about him and 1 bad article which do you think he's going to read?
And I'm not going to stop until we states a clear status of the money and a 5 year plan. He can't keep hiding behind the grass roots forever!!!!!!!
So thank yall for all your posts, all your comments and views has sparked lively debate and most importantly, kept my article on the number three spot on google news. If you guys really didn't want this message out, then you should've just ignored me. But here's the kicker. I'm going to do it again and again and again and again...and guess what....you stupid fucks are going to do it again (not you Rika)
LOLOL I laugh because if you only knew that the button at the bottom really meant...I agree with everything he just said and as such I want to keep the view count up. LOLOLOL
This is about the 4th time that Ron has given the drooling, starving, MSM dogs in their Zionist prison camps something they could misinterpret and start to feed on only to discover that it's just another plastic bone. He knows that their hunger for his demise overrules their ability to read and listen.
Notice all of the MSM coverage he's getting. Clever guy, this Ron Paul.
I really do thing there is a valid reason Ron Paul never focused on the voter fraud. Most people like him because he is honest and has integrity, but how many would have been turned away if after every election Ron Paul caused a fuss about voter fraud (whether he was right or wrong). It would have looked as if he was the poor sport, crying at every loss. At the least, it would have given the MSM additional means to ridicule him.
I do think there MIGHT have been fraud involved in the recent elections (and the upcoming ones). Ron Paul probably does as well, but it made me proud to watch him take the moral highground; to watch as he was railroaded yet remain stoic and work not with what he wished he had, but with what he did have.
It is my opinion that Ron Paul was right to remain above the fray. He has renewed my hope for America, Americans, and for the social contracts which regulate our interactions.
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