Topic: Ron Paul
In Limbo Ron Paulby Greg Sager
(Libertarian)
Saturday, March 8, 2008
In Limbo.
Ron Paul has essentially conceded the race and has now directed his supporters to continue the Revolution with no clear direction or leadership.
It no longer matters what you call us. We are in limbo. Or, as Dylan would say: "no direction known". We rallied around a nucleus - a point of reference - which is the platform Ron Paul champions.
As I have said in previous comments, this country is not ready for FREEDOM. Some of us are - for sure. Who would think that to support the Constitution would put you in the "fringe" category. I suppose if the founding fathers (slave owning Indian killers and wealthy overlord class that they were)would transport themselves into today - they would be laughed out of town. The Constitution is now an inside joke.
We are small in number. We are well informed, well educated and we know the truth about how things really work in Washington. Therefore, we can not accept the BS we get from organized criminals who pose as our future leaders. We are on our own. We are the castaways. It is time to board the life raft and leave the sinking ship before it goes down with the dollar.
If we are to follow the new plan - which is to infiltrate the criminal ranks with Ron Paul clones and overthrow the system through congressional voting power, we will more likely see another ice age come and go before we see a return to the Constitution. The system is a self-infesting prophecy. Whoever enters the system is turned to stone. At least their souls are.
We can not wait another fifty years to overthrow the overlords. This is the real war of the worlds - the war between an elite class who thinks it knows best, and has the power to implement it's agenda without consent; and the rest of us whose money they steal through taxation and lower wages.
I am less concerned about illegal immigration than I am about the organized crime that uses government as a front for it's fleecing of us all. We don't ask for war. They impose it upon us. We don't ask for the FED to supply our monetary system - they impose it upon us. We are a slave class with cool toys.
We had our moment in the shade. We never received an equal shake or a serious consideration. We were laughed at and mocked. Now we are destined to float for a few weeks, perhaps a month - before we lose the nucleus - the center and the power that kept us moving. Any movement needs a leader. Without focus, we will disintegrate into a ranting subsidiary of misfits, 911 truthers and conspiracy loonies espousing Freedom and Liberty while they taze us for not paying our credit card bills on time.
The bottom is falling out. The parachute won't open, and our savior has had a "thumpin'". So where do we go from here?
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Greg, I feel your pain! There are some excellent articles published here on Nolan Chart in just the last day or two that are a good beginning to answer your questions. Don't "abandon ship" just yet, find those who love liberty in your neighborhood, keep reading and writing for Nolan Chart.
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So right you are. How can we know anything for sure anymore? Or, more specifically - how can we TRUST what we are being told by our supposed leaders. Are they leaders or masters?
I agree that our voting system is a scam. It is an overley complex labyrinth of caucuses, delegates, superdelegates, electronic voting machines with easily corrupted code that has been proven to flip the vote on FOX News no less. Add to that the two headed one party system of GOVERN (control) MENT (mind) and you have a well greased system of confusion that allows the shell game to continue.
Let's put our corporate owner class on notice. Let's put a lien on their divine rights to lead us into oblivion. It's not their lives or the lives of their families that are on the line. Is David Rockefeller or George Bush or Hillary Clinton over in Iraq getting their freakin body parts blown off?
They have the money and so the power. But it can't be maintained because people are waking up and seeing that they are being screwed. We are those people. And you are right. We are not small in numbers - we are just the uncounted. But that is about to change. Because it is that time.
I am not so sure we are that small in numbers. I wrote a letter to the editor published last Thursday and got a lot of favorable comment, even on the Tennis Court this morning. (You can review the letter in the comments section of Walt's article How to Grow a Revolution.........."
I share the concern about losing our leader and have been commenting about coordinated efforts for days. We need events that will draw attention to our cause, but we need to be together in our efforts.
That would include the march on Washington or whatever. For instance, how can we vote in the general if Dr. Paul is not on the ticket to show our strength. I am pretty sure that if he told us to vote LP most if not all of us would do that. I know I would even though I am strongly pro-life. If we could bring three million votes to the LP and it was common knowledge that we were most if not all Dr. Paul supporters it would have a lasting effect. We would have seven months to organize this effort. Dr. Paul has to give us the goals! He can't just step back and say go for it!
BTW, I think the Catholic Church has now decided there is no limbo. Might be wrong on that.
Concerning the idea that we are waiting for Ron Paul to "show us the way"...(Dr. Paul has to give us the goals! He can't just step back and say go for it!)
He may offer suggestions, but he has made it clear that he expects the grass roots effort to take this momentum and run with it. I guess we will have to see what level of direction is put into the March on Washington by the RP campaign itself.
I think we need to follow our instincts. We don't live in the house anymore. We have been banished in favor of more "positive" candidates. Who wants to show up for the party and have some "downer" telling us that we need to withdraw, cut back, be more conservative, more ethical, more humane... - where's the fun in that. We want to either GET something FROM government, or we want to kill everyone who scares us, or both. The Libertarians are the "grown up" party. We don't need a parent to watch over us. We don't need to be told how and what to think.
I don't know that we have lost our leader. I don't know that we need one. We DO need a movement based on specific principles (The Constitution comes to mind), and an activist presence that doesn't deteriorate into KKK and wingnut militia factions that only frighten those who have already dumped in their pants over Bin Laden or whoever. We want to offer HOPE FOR AMERICA - not anarchism.
We are not small in numbers. We are everywhere. We are the misfits, the black sheep, the fringe, the outsiders, the dark horses, the long shots. We are the future.
I hear you, Greg. And I don't know anything about LP to speak of, I just saw that as a place holder to make a statement. The last thing I want to do is give up and I don't want to see the movement scatter. And, if you are telling me that it will be the long term education process referred by Jefferson to "inform their descretion" then I will just have to leave that to you young folks.
"The Libertarians are the "grown up" party. We don't need a parent to watch over us. We don't need to be told how and what to think.
I don't know that we have lost our leader. I don't know that we need one. We DO need a movement based on specific principles (The Constitution comes to mind), and an activist presence that doesn't deteriorate into KKK and wingnut militia factions that only frighten those who have already dumped in their pants over Bin Laden or whoever. We want to offer HOPE FOR AMERICA - not anarchism.
We are not small in numbers. We are everywhere. We are the misfits, the black sheep, the fringe, the outsiders, the dark horses, the long shots. We are the future. "
Greg,
You speak the truth, and I'm glad to hear it. We need the "revolution" to carry on with the Libertarian Party. I am new to nolancharts and to the LP from the Ron Paul camp, and I stand with you. (But don't discount me just 'cause I'm new. :) )
I think it's time the "revolution" look towards the future in a smart and realistic fashion. Time to beef up the LP and get the libertarian message out there.
It is good that you are new here. New is what we need.
Perhaps a new party is in order that does not have a history. It could pull together aspects of various parties - as long as these follow the basic tenents of ethics, freedom, sound money, smaller government, no resource wars or interference in other nation's affairs and an end to financial support for allies and non-allies alike.
We are not here to save the world. That is not a selfish thing to say. We can not save a world from it's own evolution. We can educate and be a model of the world we wish to create and we can promote our vision - but we must never assume we have all the answers, the right or the resources to solve the world's problems by taking from Americans and redistributing our wealth through arms sales and United Nations interference.
The best way to save the world is to stop destroying it in the first place through a lack of respect. If the allmighty dollar (not so mighty anymore) is all that matters - if material rewards and constant stimulation are the only purpose for existing, then we will self destruct as a species due to an inability to see how we are part of the whole. When we bomb and kill people in Iraq, we are killing a part of the human spirit - and we all die a little inside.
If we could put together a brand new party of principle - perhaps something like "The New America" party, and expect all who run on this ticket to follow a strict moral code (unlike Congress) we could gather enough grass roots Ron Paul supporters, other LP supporters, conservatives and even liberals who want government to be run BY the people - not by corporations and the banksters. We could force our issue by having our own legal staff, economists, media channel(s) and meet-up groups that are not ONLY about getting our candidate elected - but to act as an ongoing watchdog group and to expose EVERY SINGLE disingenuous move that the other sides make. We must act in the interest of all - not just those who think like we do. In time, when we have proven to make the right choices and things improve, people will naturally gravitate towards what feels right.
T he trick is having a nucleus. That nucleus must be a set of principles that are clear and offer a distinct benefit over how things work now. It must be educational at every level, because until people rise up peacefully and decline to participate in the entrenched system - nothing will change. We can't just throw out the bumbs. We have to convince the public that they are indeed bumbs - not the great black hope or the motherly caretaker with experience or the warmongering ex-prisoner of war.
It is indeed time for a change. A real change. It's called waking up.
No thanks on the new party bit. I will stick with the Libertarian Party. It's a good party with an excellent platform and candidates all across the nation waiting to be voted on. I believe in the libertarian philosophy and I believe in the Libertarian Party. The LP is my nucleus.
OK. So it is the Libertarian Party. Next item: Who in the Libertarian Party has a presence - an intellect and a humanity that could step up and be the advocate or nucleus to offer focus? Someone with no baggage or ego. Someone who is a fighter, but a fighter for peace.
Who is this person? Ron Paul has already said he will not run third party. Unless he has an expansion of awareness himself and realizes that the Libertarians are included into the Republican Party in the first place - so there is no conflict of interest - then we need a new person for the job.
Or, could a group of some sort be assembled from all states - like representatives, who share in a common plan and who act as lobbyists of a sort - as a ballast against the status quo? In other words, - do we need a specific person or an organized effort with visible members - or both?
What can propel the Libertarian Party from fringe underground idealist throw-backs to the Constitution to forward thinking visionaries with real plans and the support of people who can effect a change? Though I am apparently a Libertarian according to the Nolan Chart Survey, I think of myself as truly INDEPENDENT - and accountable to no party. My impression of the LP has always been of people trying to live in the past. Isolationists. Protective and somewhat unconcerned about socail issues. Sometimes a bit self-preserving. But as I have learned more through Ron Paul I have enlarged my perspective.
Unfortunately, I had to make an effort to learn. I didn't get much from mainstream anything other than the slant and bias. The average person is not making that effort. To most people - they don't have any idea what the LP is. It may as well be followers of Bagwan Sri Rajnish or Sun Yung Moon. They are frightened by things they do not understand. Also, it requires personal responsibility to be a Libertarian. There are no more handouts - no fallbacks - no safety net. It's in your hands.
That scares the crap out of people.
But, as REM said: STAND in the place where you work. STAND in the place where you live. Make your decision. Make your pledge. Take a STAND. Therefore, it may as well be the LP as any other. But we need to have a strong interjection of PRESENCE. Either an individual or a dignified group of activists under a single banner. A single purpose: Freedom and Liberty for all. The LP so far has been about as popular as the GREEN party. Changing a mindset is sometimes harder than creating a new one.
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