Topic: Ron Paul
Ron Paul Campaign in Chaos In-fighting, fracturing and uncertainty grips the Ron Paul campaign in the wake of John McCain's victory.by Jake Morphonios
(conservative libertarian)
Wednesday, March 5, 2008
Ron Paul is a clear voice in a tumultuous world. But that voice has not been heard for weeks. Ron Paul "Revolutionaries" are as sheep that have lost their shepherd. Without the guidance of their leader, the Ron Paul campaign has descended into chaos.
Once and for all, Ron Paul CAN NOT win the Republican nomination. There is no realistic scenerio in which over a thousand Ron Paul-hating Republican delegates, firmly committed to voting for John McCain, would defy their party and the millions of popular votes for McCain, to suddenly throw support to McCain's polar opposite.
The only way that this strategy might have worked would have been for Mitt Romney to stay in the race and split the delegates between himself and McCain. Neither candidate would have had the majority needed to secure the nomination on the first ballot. After that first ballot the delegates would be free to vote for other candidates - IF that is what they wanted to do. If some how, some way, by some absolutely inconceivable miracle delegates swung support to Paul, he might have won. Naturally, this is assuming that the committed delegates WANTED to vote for Paul.
Every shred of evidence proves beyond doubt that the Republican party DOES NOT LIKE RON PAUL. He was mocked repeatedly by his fellow Republicans during the debates. To assume that over a thousand McCain and Romney supporters would unexpectedly have a change of heart and vote for Ron Paul is absolute fantasy.
Ron Paul's own official web site hasn't posted anything of any significance about Paul's campaign efforts for nearly 3 weeks. Ron Paul is missing in action. For those that want to brag about how Paul won 70% in his own Congressional district for the US House, start asking yourselves what percentage of those same voters gave their support to McCain for President. The message is clear: even in his home state of Texas, Republicans don't want Paul for President.
Ron Paul's own words have confirmed that he knows that he has no chance of winning the Republican nomination. Why do Ron Paul supporters claim that Ron Paul is a brilliant constitutional scholar, but then treat him like he is an absolute dimwit when he says that he doesn't have any way of winning the Republican nomination?
Yesterday Ron Paul kept his Congressional seat, but lost big in every other combination of contests. He only got 5% of the vote in Texas for President. Ron Paul supporters are going crazy trying to figure out what to do next. The campaign has, as usual, been slow to respond. Sure, they took the time to IMMEDIATELY update their "Now there were 3" screen to say "Now there were 2" (conveniently fogetting that Alan Keyes is still in the race). But how about some substance?
There are so many good, effective and immediate actions that we could be taking if we only had a unifying voice. Ron Paul needs to give the Revolution direction. He needs to back up his tough talk about civil disobedience and taking on the evil neo-cons with a concrete plan that his followers can act upon.
I hope that Ron Paul comes out of campaign retirement soon before the Revolution tears itself apart. I suggest we regroup and refocus our efforts before the entire Revolution fizzles out.
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Posted By: No Name Supplied
Date: 2008-03-05 17:47:40
Maybe I remember incorrectly, but I thought he specifically said he would be focusing on the congressional primary until March 4th. Well... it's now finally after March 4th. So... if we haven't heard anything about the presidential race, it's only 1 day late. I think it's unrealistic to complain about not hearing anything for 1 day.
Save your outrage for 2012, folks. If any of you disagree with the truth Jake's telling you, you are not only sheep and idiots, but possibly certifiably insane.
The only "sheep" are those who belive Ron Paul can "magically" pull out a Presidential win when its been shown popular culture, both political parties, a good portion of the electorate, and main stream media think he's at best "eccentric" and at worst, well, just read Jaime Kirkpatrick.
Funny, but if you look at how Ron Paul did in the primaries and compare it to how he did in the caucuses you will see a vast difference in the percentage of votes. Caucuses are open voting, by hand and primaries are by ballot. Now I am not a conspiracy theory kind of guy, but if you look at how someone draws around a 14% average in the caucuses and 5% average in primaries. It kinda makes you think a little about ballot tampering.
Posted By: Jahfre Fire Eater
Date: 2008-03-05 18:41:57
Some Ron Paul supporters are certainly sheep-like. I know several who act like Ron Paul is their shepherd. As Jake pointed out the sheep-like supporters require constant tending by their shepherd or they freak out.
Fortunately, I know many more Ron Paul supporters who understand the battle to reclaim the GOP from the liberals is a long-term engagement. Ron Paul or no Ron Paul our activities and goals do not change. It will take continuous promotion of conservative values within the party to eventually realize Dr. Paul's vision of a conservative GOP. Very few are up to the challenge and willing to accept the responsibility for promoting their own principles through constructive behavior.
Having the sheep wander away from the GOP will not change my activity or my goals. It may even make our efforts more effective to not have so much pointless baa baa baa -ing and milling about aimlessly.
However, anyone who will criticize the Ron Paul supporters who do remain focused on taking as many delegates as possible to the national convention either doesn't know how influence is expressed in the party or else they do know and are trying to derail our efforts out of fear for their impact.
The reign of the neocons is over. It will take time for them all to hit the floor but their destruction of our country, our money and our constitution has turned the tide against them. It is only a matter of time...and individual participation. Some will, some won't. That's just the way it is.
Just last week at a local county assembly, a county that previously had 25 Ron Paul delegates walked away with 125 Ron Paul delegates being sent to the congressional assembly from that county.
McCain can make all the acceptance speeches he wants but the nominee is not selected until all the delegates are counted. Most Paul supporters never bothered to figure out how all this works. Ron Paul delegates will get to vote at the conventions not just for a candidate but for all kinds of other resolutions, by-laws and such. You can only impact the direction of the party by participating in the party. Sad how few of Dr. Paul's loud obnoxious base could grasp that concept.
With Paul supporters coast to coast how hard would it be for tens of thousands to march on the 12 Federal Reserve branches? Seems to me some civil disobedience on such a grand scale might enlighten a few as to just what a raw deal the Fed Reserve is. Why should the campaign directors suck all the money out of the fund? If they are as principled as Dr. Paul it seems they would want to further the cause. A PBS, Frontline or HBO documentary of some sort could certainly be underwritten in part/whole with a fraction of funds. So many options to continue the fight. I personally don't have it to give, but I would give Dr. Paul $500.00 to run as an independent or as a write in candidate.
Granted, we are regrouping. However, reports that Ron Paul is snoozing are not true. He had a resounding success today in Washington....he does still do that, Jake. This article on Lew's site is exciting: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/019811.html
I think we are in a short time-out. How about the Forbes RP article just as the dollar is crashing. The Revolution is alive and well .... and the RP information highway is gaining traction.
Chaos? What! Come on, the Democratic Party is in chaos (sex vs. race) the Republicans are beginning to get a little itchy over McCain -- he will be the Democratic target for the next 6 or so months, and he will provide them with a lot of ammunition (he is not all that bright -- e.g, Keating 7, the leggy lobbiest, the Hagee endorsement, etc.) Paul, for the moment, is under the radar... but he is there (Tucker wants to interview him, he gets into Forbes, WSJ -- and the talk is favorable, you know "dedicated", "honest". etc.). In a month or so the Republicans, faced with a Bush clone, as well as bad economic and foreign news, will begin to wring their hands. Paul will look better and better... "swing" delegates will be called upon. The RNC will be in "Chaos" -- not the Ron Paul folk. We know what we want, and we are not about to give up for the likes of that crazy McCain who was foisted upon conservative Republicans. I'm a registered Republican, and McCain will not, under any circumstances, get my vote. I'll vote for Paul if I have to send in a write-in ballot.
i voted for ron paul in iowa because i weighed my conscience against his platform, and decided that was what i agreed with. if things go as predicted at the convention, i cannot by conscience vote in november. i will not vote for another clinton, obama is a talking head, i dont agree with nader, and mccain is the straightest road to hell. this so called
i voted for ron paul in iowa because i weighed my conscience against his platform, and decided that was what i agreed with. if things go as predicted at the convention, i cannot by conscience vote in november. i will not vote for another clinton, obama is a talking head, i dont agree with nader, and mccain is the straightest road to hell. this so called "revolution" isn't going to be a flashy, fast, showdown-in-the-street type thing. it will be a long, boring, and mostly silent process in which the younger generation (because thats what this is, a generational conflict) will begin to supplant the old guard faster than they can be corrupted by old philosophies. i dont think the fools that seem to think any single person will lead them indefinitely under mostly libertarian principles understand those principles very well. you have to take the initiative, and the responsibility onto yourselves to move forward.
While you're on the subject of chaos, the Republican party itself has ripped itself apart at the seams. But unlike the Republican party, the Ron Paul "faction", which to me more recognizably Republican than the collectivist Trotskyites pretending to be right wing fascists, who have infected the party and have led it and the US into self mutilation and derision, i.e., the "neocon kooks"...but I digress...are more recognizably Republican and less chaotic than you would have the ignorant and uninformed believe (which I think you really hope they believe). Ron Paul supporters have a staying power and a determination I haven't seen since the CR's were kicking ass and taking names during the 1980's. You've deliberately underestimated this team and it's no surprise why.
Is there any new news on when/if the march on Washington will occur? I hope that it isn't 4th of July because I will be unable to go that weekend.
Ron Paul won't get the nomination, but a strong march on Washington could cause McCain and the democratic nominee to have to recognize Ron Paul supporters, especially since many could vote either way in the general election.
Since when are Ron Paul supporters sheep? The reason we like Dr. Paul is that we're self-thinking, self-sufficient, involved, active members of our own communities. We're thrilled for the national network that the Paul campaign has provided us. We're thrilled that Dr. Paul won his congressional seat.
You're the one crying that Ron Paul hasn't told you what to do every week for the past month. I guess you're the one who needs a shepherd to guide your every political move, but there are those of us who can manage to take care of ourselves and allow Dr. Paul to win another House election.
Be a grown up and join the real revolution. It's called taking action on your own and being confident about it.
Good article. The movement is real, and it is not insignificant. But I think that the possibility of Ron Paul getting the nomination this year is non-existent. This is not his fault, nor that of his followers. It is in the make-up of the Republican Party. This should not be the end of the movement nor even a serious set-back to the work begun this year. But insisting that something not on the horizon will bring Ron Paul into the White House next January simply interferes with long term planning and makes an heroic campaign appear ridiculous.
Yeah, I agree with this article. Ron Paul supporters are being sheep by blindly following whatever without any direction from even Ron Paul himself. Take over the GOP? The pro-war idiots for a world-wide police state? Puhhhleaze.
Jale, without a doubt you raised several valid points.
With the situation as it is currently, what are your positive suggestions? We have to brainstorm to come up with good ideas. Ron Paul is surely discussing strategy in detail with people and want to hear all inputs and come up with a coherent strategy and make an announcement. It is perhaps better to take a day or two than make an immediate announcement. He did react to his own re-election in district 14. With regard to his relative poor presidential showing in his own district, it could be that many of them thought Paul has already dropped out of the race all together... and Paul was probably campaigning for re-election in his district primarily (not presidential race).
One has to consider the several difficulties that face McCain, which - given his unexpected change of fortunes during the past 6 months - could lead to another change of fortunes during the following 6 or less months:
* The NYTimes relevations, with more from other newspapers, influence on McCain is still to be seen. He has not weathered the storm yet and expect a strong grilling from NYT and other closet Democratic Party media in the next few weeks.
* Conservatives in the GOP has now MORE reason not to trust McCain: not only with McCain-Feingold and amnesty, also with taxes! He said: "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes. But I'm not saying I can envision a scenario where I would,OK?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120451614688707083.html?mod=hpp_us_pageone
* The maverick McCain is/was NEVER the preferred choice candidate of the GOP establishment, period. With the de facto acceptance of the GOP establishment, the problem that McCain (and the GOP) faces is his selection of a VP candidate: if he selects a conservative within the GOP, he suffers the danger that his appeal to moderates (and Independents) are weakened, and if he selects a "moderate" or a maverick like himself, a substantial block of the conservative establishment will definitely NOT vote for him in November! Also: He might be able to get the support of some conservatives, but never their enthusiasm and generous financial support. This should be a cause for concern from his side.
* McCain is the most uninspiring candidate and a bad debater - he admitted this himself - and the economy - especially in the light of a loooming recession - is his weak point. His support base consist mostly of older people, with some middle aged. he has NO strong support among the youth and never looked as if he was going to raise a lot of money.
These factors should make the GOP at least uneasy or concerned about McCain, which could lead to a revolt. Paul has a slingshot chance to get the nomination in such an event. In case the GOP does plan to field another pro-war candidate, they are still bound to loose the elections in November and they know it. IMHO Paul should campaign strongly and build up maximum support and delegates. Even if he does not get the nomination, he will bolster strength and some power base at the RNC, apart from having chance to make a speech, which could be groundbreaking and sway the delegates. If a pro-war candidate is nontheless chosen, Paul will be much stronger in the GOP after a November election loss. Also important is to bolster and coordinate support to elect as many Ron paul Republicans to Congress and Senate as possible, which will mean that Paul can combine these people with current support, for instance by Walter Jones in NC etc. (Wayne Gilchrest in MD, who lost, was not really a conservative, and was the reason why he lost).
A march and/or some concerted effort (like a conference) to show and demonstrate support and momentum within the next few weeks/months would be important to keep the all together on the same page.
Give 'em a break, the Ron Paul Campaign is not in Chaos, it is relaxing in Laos, you know: hot water-cold water, ice rubbing and then a sauna. I guess Carol didn't turn off the lights.
Springtime is here, all you got to do is look for the bare necessities, the simple bare necessities, forget about your worries and your strife... be still, 'bet ya the Campaign will come back in a while.
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McCain pulls out of the race due to Ill health. Ron Paul takes the Rep nomination, and media spotlight shifts to RP, which he masterfully utilizes to connect with America. American voters swing there votes to Ron Paul, who Wins the 2008 presidency by a landslide. 100/1 shot, all bets are open, any takers?
It just doesn't work that way. If McCain dropped out or died, delegates don't automatically go to whomever is still in the race. If so, then Alan Keyes will have as much right to them as Ron Paul.
If McCain drops out, the delegates can vote for anyone - even someone not presently running. Mitt Romney would be willing to step back in and accept the nomination if McCain left the race.
It is pie-in-the-sky fantasy to believe that these anti-Paul delegates would turn around and vote for him just because he's one of the remaining candidates. To believe that Paul would be the nominee is as absurd as believing that these McCain delegates would turn around and make Keyes the Republican nominee.
Ron Paul will not have anywhere near the number of Paul-minded delegates to steal the nomination away - even in the most extreme example you provided.
Ron Paul will be sleeping in a big king size bed while some of you broke, jobless, Bushies are trying to find a place to sleep. My home is paid for, is your?
NEW YORK - Americans' percentage of equity in their homes fell below 50 percent for the first time on record since 1945, the Federal Reserve said Thursday.
Any power must be an enemy of mankind which enslaves the individual by terror and force; yet, I see some good in impressing upon the irresponsible fools who reelected George W. Bush, knowing he was a habitual liar and lifelong failure, the error of their ways.
Ron Paul is not our shepard. Our shepard is the message of limited government. He happens to be the biggest and really only proponent of it. We are actually thinking for ourselves and not what the media and government tells us. We are so excited that we finally have someone in the government to voice our opinion.
They (CFR / NWO) candidates (McCain and Clinton) are winning by using the "primary" (Black Box Voting) states.
The Caucus / Primary vote differential was seen between Paul and McCain and is now being seen between Obama and Clinton.
What does this mean? It means close to nobody has actually voted for the Republican that has "SEALED" the Nomination (McCain). They probably voted mostly for Paul, Huckabee and Romney. But the machines just didn't see it that way.
Are you scared yet? (if not you should be)
See http://www.nolanchart.com/article3040.html and http://www.nolanchart.com/article3005.html for some potential solutions to our current predicament.
Posted By: Aaron B. Walker
Date: 2008-03-06 15:42:51
Jake,
With all due respect... where are you getting your information that there are "more than 1000 anti-Paul delegates"? McCain only has about 893 actual "bound" delegates who must vote for him based on the individual state GOP party rules. The rest of the delegates are in states with a mixture of partially to completely unbound delegates who can (and will) vote for whomever they want to at the national convention.
Many of the state conventions have not even taken place yet, which will determine which delegates actually go to national. There are a great number of states who have Ron Paul coalitions with majority strength. It is quite conceivable (and in my opinion as somewhat of an insider, likely) that a very large number of "Ron Paul" delegates will be descending upon the national convention in September. McCain will most likely, at this point NOT have the required number of bound delegates to give him his 1191 votes. He'll have around 900 or so. On the first round of voting, McCain will fall short and then guess what? EVERY SINGLE DELEGATE WILL BECOME A "FREE AGENT" and can cast the "real vote" they've wanted to all along, and I can assure you that it will not be for McCain. Yes, it might be for Romney, but it will more likely be for Paul... because... again, at each of the state levels, Ron Paul supporters have crashed the delegate process and now hold significant strength.
The chance for a Ron Paul victory is far from a long-shot. It's certainly not a sure thing either, but in the continuum between the two, the line is much closer to "victory" than it is to "defeat".
Posted By: patrick henry
Date: 2008-03-06 15:53:16
Ok everyone I dont think Jake was calling you a sheep, just some people are looking to the "sheppard" for the guidance.
Yorktown you make a good point and I agree, but let me expound upon what I think Jake is trying to bring to the table.
Jake truly cares about the Revolution, although pessimistic to most, he is trying to take a realist approach. The GOP does not want the LIBERTY caucus in their tent, and then, therefore what do WE the REVOLUTIONAIRIES do?
The original REVOLUTION had a dedicated delegation that met and discussed its course. They made plans based upon it, then acted upon those plans. Then the word was spread on the LIBERTY trees. PATRIOTS acted upon those decrees, ie. Boston Tea Party, economic boycotts, etc.
We have alot of similarities today, we have the LIBERTY tree in the internet, and remember the Tory's can read it too. Yet we seem to only have one delegate to our cause, and that is the good Dr. Paul. I agree we need to form a delegation, meet, make goals and act upon those decrees.
One thing that will be hard is the actions upon which WE all take. There are no statues of British Nobilty to tear down. How do we boycott our own economy? Any actions taken are taken against our own stuff. This will easily be turned into "homegrown terrorism" and we will all be arrested.
If we had an armed revolt, then what be the target? Again off the the camps you go.
I think the solution is take over one step at a time. We all want it to happen now, but have some patience. Trust me I dont want anymore of my friends over seas gettin blown up. But this is a strugglle. It took us 147 years to get to this point we cant change it in 6 months. WE have made huge strides towards LIBERTY and restoration of the REPUBLIC. Before the first debate I thought only a few of my closest friends got it. Now I talk to and read 1000's of us. HOLY SHIT 100s of 1000s of US and it gives me extreme hope to get my country back.
In closing I will agree with Jake we need to get better organized and I for one am not so sure the GOP is the place for it. I am a dues payin member of the LP and dont necessarily think that is the best answer either. Maybe starting the Democratic Republican party of Jefferson would work, who knows.
Keep the faith, as this movement has just begun, remember we didnt win our first fight until Trenton and look at what happened, the birth of a true REPUBLIC.
I will vote Libertarian. I've had enough of supposed Ron Paul supporters like patrick henry who speak of the Libertarian Party as some sort of red-headed stepchild as though Ron Paul wasn't libertarian at all. As if the GOP is a bundle of lovejoy.
I will vote Libertarian, and I will help the Libertarian Party grow, and I will not help the GOP in any way/shape/form. I will not dream up a new party as the Libertarian Party platform very closely matches my ideals, and the Libertarian philosophy is one that I truely agree with which is why I supported Ron Paul to begin with.
There is no problem here. Low pollings are expected because the elections are rigged. Ron Paul has more support than the polls suggest.
We keep doing what we've always done. We keep spreading the message. We keep donating to his campaign. We persist, like an annoying mosquito. Something is bound to give sooner or later. I am very sure that the truth will come out, and when it does, all hell will break loose. Remember, McCain stands on very shaky ground. Lets shake it even more.
I worked as a substitute Election Judge in the Texas Republican primary in a precinct that was not my own (and by the way, got automatically placed on the delegate list in my home precinct for doing so). I'm an avid Ron Paul supporter and am as disgusted as everyone else with the GOP and John McCain. However, I got involved in order to talk about liberty with the voters. We can't discuss political candidates in the polls, but we can talk about liberty, the Constitution, small government, just war, etc.
Believe it or not, many of the voters WANTED to vote for John McCain and it wasn't rigged. Our poll was 100% paper ballots and no black box voting. The people voted willingly for John McCain. Some even came in singing his praises. They believe what they have been taught by the media about the threat to their safety, and they believe John McCain will protect them from terrorists. They want war. These ignorant people need to be educated, but who will do it? How will you reach them? One way is by sitting in a precinct poll for 12 hours and beginning to teach people about liberty.
We taught them about the political process and how it works, beginning at the precinct meeting when the polls close and the process of nominating delegates/alternates. We told them to start learning about what they have before it is taken away. We told them that if they didn't like the direction of our nation or the party, it was up to THEM to change it. These are revolutionary ideas for brainwashed, enslaved people. In our tiny precinct where only about 100 voters showed up for the day, 15 people came to the precinct convention, all first-time attendees. They all became delegates or alternates to the senatorial convention and left excited and eager about the political process. Yes, it's a far cry from where they need to be to fully pursue political restoration and liberty for our nation, but it's a start.
And by the way, who cares which political party we affiliate with? Liberty defies all party lines and no political party can be trusted anyway. The fact that we're still arguing about which party to work through just indicates that we still think in terms of partisanship instead of liberty. Do you love human liberty? Then, get involved wherever your heart leads you, wherever you have an open door. Put the message of liberty into action through responsible service to our crumbling (but not dead) Republic. Begin to hoe the row that's before you.
It sure beats arguing about whether Ron Paul can win the GOP nomination or not. Even if Ron became President tomorrow, we still would have a HUGE battle ahead of us to turn our nation around. You can't clean up decades of apathy, decadence, sin, and lies in one election. Especially when the people electing the leaders actually DESIRE to be slaves instead of free citizens. So, become a delegate and teach people at the district, state, and national conventions about Ron Paul and the message of liberty. Keep your eye on the prize....even if it takes generations to achieve it.
"The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that rules among fools." (Eccl. 9:17)
Jake, well I do not think all the "non-Paul" delegates are necessarily all "anti-Paul". From what I have understood with a previous Paul campaign update video, some of these other delegates, also those for McCain enquired about Paul very interested. Remember for many voters Paul was just a same on the ballot box, they did not really know about him and his philosophies. Statistics said 1/3 of GOP are against the Iraq war, 70% + of the population vs. Iraq war, Bush less than 30% approval rating, Congress even less... McCain will face serious problems still. Paul has indicated he will continue with the primaries/caususes (interesting and significant to note that he fared much better with caucuses than in primaries...which could suggest once people know a bit about him, they tend to be favorable). What could sway the majority of the GOP in favor of Paul, is the further weakening of the conomy and the USD, the war in Iraq, a possible impeachment of Bush, Cheney and others etc. Remember also at CPAC many Romney supporters were quite frustrated at his actions. My suspicion is also that many of the delegates would actually prefer to vote for Paul, but though he did not had a chance of getting elected, which is the reason why they voted for Huckabee, Romney (a sort of anti-McCain vote). Also have to take note that McCain received an amount of the "anti-war" vote in the GOP (and Independents) as they - mistakenly - thought he was against the war, as he criticized Bush/Cheney's handling for the war, not the war itself. Do you think they will still be inclined to vote for "100 years in Iraq" McCain if they found out in the meantime and/or will find out before/at the RNC that Ron Paul is actually the only anti-war candidate and McCain actually the most pro-war of all?? Something to think about?
Now, I do NOT want to say it is a done deal that Paul would be nominated, very far for that...one needs to be realistic and take into account it was always very difficult and a "long shot", but what I also want to say is that it is not necessarily a done deal that McCain would be elected AND especially that one cannot necessarily say that the chances of Paul getting the nomination are 0, though it could be slim. Given some of the factors mentioned earlier, also Paul's strong enthusiastic grass-root support and fund raising record, we could enter a new situation where Paul could be viewed much more favorably.
With the newest video we know he will continue the campaign, but also broaden it, and we have to focus also on getting other "Ron Paul Republicans" elected.
Posted By: patrick henry
Date: 2008-03-07 08:29:30
Thanks Laura,
Loddi I'm a dues paying member of the LP. I will be attending my state convention this weekend so at least I support my step-child. I will have to get a better feel of the pulse of issues before I could endorse the LP as the long term answer right now (their ideals of pro-choice are in direct conflict with my ideals of LIFE and LIBERTY). I will not vote GOP if Dr. Paul is not the candidate and will most likely vote LP, however that is just a snub job to the system. But that is not the over arching goal, its to affect real positive long term restoration of the REPUBLIC. Rock on go vote LP, but will that solve to whole problem or just flip of the GOP? You can do both. But YOU have to become active. YOU have to run for office and spread the message of LIBERTY, Constitution and small government. Jake is just frustrated that it is not happening fast enough, whether fearful of further decline, impatience or whatever I cannot say.
Lets talk to fix the problem not just vent our frustration at each other, even though I rant here often. We have to get organized to overcome this and do alot of long hard arduous work. Somehow this got turned into today we are not perceivably one step closer to LIBERTY so Dr. Paul and his staff are all lazy hide out lackeys. Have patience everyone LIBERTY will come if we continue to unite and work hard.
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