Topic: Ron Paul
Romney Quits, Ron Paul Fights On Romney quite possibly quit to prevent a brokered convention that can leave the door open for Ron Paul - but it may just all work out in Ron Paul's favor.by Alex Wallenwein
(Conservative)
Thursday, February 7, 2008
As predicted, they are falling off like flies - and the most amazing thing is that it's the GOP's cream of the crap (er ..., sorry, I meant "cream of the crop") that keeps falling off the cliff.
Think about that for a moment.
The "Rudy McRomney" trio was the press-crowned successors-in-waiting for the country's highest office for most of 2007. Now that Romney is out, only the "Mc" remains of that old triumvirate.
Just to make sure Ron Paul doesn't get the votes of the disenchanted Christian base, the country's behind-the-scene string-pullers leaned on Evangelical "leaders" to turn their base into the direction the string-pullers favored: Mike Huckabee, a total unknown who had even less name recognition than Ron Paul in the first two debates of the season. (Naturally, any references to "string-pullers" and "the CFR" in this article are purely fictitious and are not intended to impugn the reputation or motives of any actually existing individuals or organizations.)
The groomed him and groomed him, with CFR president Richard Haass at the helm of his team of advisers, until he became the establishment's overnight sensation who was able to run in third place behind "McRomney" - after Rudy jumped the sinking ship.
Huck's role was that of spoiler, to draw votes away from both Romney and Paul so that McCain, the most pliable of the candidates who toed the "stay in Iraq forever" line, could become the front runner.
But, the equation didn't quite work out that way
In the aftermath of the Super-Tuesday carnage, there remained a distinct possibility of a brokered convention that would have left the back door open for Ron Paul to emerge as the exclusive winner.
That could not be tolerated!
It now became imperative to make Romney withdraw and present all of his delegates to McCain so that McCain can become the undisputed winner of the required 1191 delegates needed to cinch the nomination for him. That means, of course, that Huckabee will have to give his delegates up as well, just to make sure. Accordingly, expect a similar withdrawal announcement from Huckabee in the near future.
Naturally, that will leave only Ron Paul on the ticket to oppose McCain. The "Last Man Standing" scenario described in the previous article on that topic definitely appears to be coming true.
The reason is that delegates who were, by their state's GOP party rules, forced to cast their vote for Romney as the candidate who won the popular vote in that state are now free agents. Their contract of servitude has just been canceled. They now can vote for whoever they want at the convention.
To "cinch" the nomination, McCain will still have to win enough delegates in future primaries to gain his total of 1191 delegates that he needs to win.
If Huck indeed jumps ship, future voters will have to make a stark choice: Vote for McCain, the GOP candidate whom most conservative heavyweights like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter detest for his liberal Democrat-leaning votes during his Senate career - or for Ron Paul, who from the beginning was the only candidate with true, sterling, and unassailable conservative credentials?
In essence, their dilemma will be this: Elect a liberal war monger - or a hard-core conservative non-interventionist and impeccable constitutionalist?
It will be the first time in this and the last century that American conservatives will have the chance to make a real choice in a presidential election.
God does work in funny ways, as they say.
But let's say Huck stays in the race, just to make sure that conservatives will not be confronted with that stark choice, just so they can still fool themselves into believing that there is a "third alternative." In that case, Huck will continue to draw votes - but this time he will draw them away form McCain instead of Romney.
If Huckabee is really running for McCain's veep position, that will make McCain a bit uncomfortable about this possible choice. Not ideal, to say the least - and fraught with big dangers. Meanwhile, Ron Paul's volunteer army can quietly do their precinct walks and whatever else they do so well to get their candidate enough votes to get him to their brokered convention.
Tough choice for the folks at the CFR. Very tough. You almost feel bad for them.
Their problem is that Ron Paul doesn't take marching orders. Not from them, not from anyone else. Never has, never will. That's precisely why he must not win - at least in the book of those who think they (still) run this country.
History, however, may well be in the process of rewriting that 'book' for them.
It is utterly revealing that Romney expressly bowed out for the purpose of making sure that the nominee will be one of the other war mongers of the CFR-trained GOP. He said:
"If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror," (Emphasis mine)
Naturally, Romney knows that, in spite of their rhetoric of late, neither of the two Democrats will withdraw from Iraq once he or she gets elected. They are as beholden to the CFR's internationalist agenda as McCain and Huckabee are - so at whom was that remark really directed?
You guessed it. None other than Ron Paul. And that shows how utterly panicked the establishment is by the mere thought of a possible brokered convention. Romney obediently agreed to waste all of the millions and millions of his own dollars he blew on his campaign, just to make sure that this elitist nightmare called "Ron Paul" and his constitutionalist "revolution" will never see even the sliver of a chance to make it to the GOP convention.
Vote Ron Paul.
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Great assessment! The Neocon CFR members aught to be choking on their Amero's shortly! Ron Paul is a great long distance runner. He did not even break a sweat yet. good to let the mass enthusiasm build slowly to you do not run out near the end. I can almost see life without the IRS. What are main man is going to need is cash. I suggest donations in the amount of the stimulus package of $600 FRN's. With about 249,999 more of us we will generate $150M. This should do the trick of informing the entire population who Ron Paul is and why they need to vote. This amount of funds would also be in line with the Democrats ability to receive funding, but without corporate or PAC monies.
Good god, why in the world would you think that Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc, would be against McCain? They freakin love the guy. What they have been doing lately is just putting on a show. Doing what they do best. Their job is to keep people focused on absolutely irrelevant and shallow layers of politics. Like for example, that exchange between Romney and McCain about who supported the troop surge the most. It's complete gobbledegook. And that's where they want people's minds to be. They dont want people questioning the war's legality. No Big Questions! No Real Questions! They dont want to tap into the creative centers of people's brains. They are very carefully trained to avoid that. They are very skilled at keeping people focused on building sandcastles on the beach, and keeping people from thinking about the tide coming in. Goebbels would be proud of all of them. They most definately love McCain. And they love Hillary too.
This is going to a brokered convention! we're finally going to see political justice in this race. MOST delegates are uncommited but great majority are for Ron Paul!
Folks, barring a catasthrophe Ron Paul is going to win!
Guesswhotoo6, Giving the $600 dollars that people will receive from the so-called stimulus package is an AMAZING idea! That would go a LONG way for Ron Paul. I hope Trevor Lyman picks up on this and creates a money bomb day for it!
Great article. However things shake out, everyone reading this needs to go to www.ronpaulbookbomb.com to further the freedom message and educate the populace.
There is a Money Bomb slated for President's Day Feb. 18th
Please donate on that day and show the WORLD Ron Paul is the PEOPLE'S choice. Pass this notice on to everyone you know. Thanks, a fellow supporter.
How is Ron Paul the people's choice if he hasn't finished higher than 3rd in any primaries? The situation you are describing is one in which the RNC ignores millions of voters and nominates Ron Paul. You wish to destroy democracy just to get your candidate elected!
Check out the “RON PAUL IS A VIRUS” music video on YouTube and help share it and spread the message! It digs right to the heart of the media’s attempts to hold down his message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSkjWmTy5M
or http://www.vlogolution.com/vlog/moMONEY/20080129.html
Share it with all your uninterested and skeptical friends and acquaintances, maybe it'll pique their curiosity and give Ron Paul the chance he needs to make a difference!
Charles do you really think that you live in a Democracy? Do the words "vote fraud" mean anything to you? You, as an American, can only elect the person(s) THEY (select) for you to vote from. Ron Paul has beaten all the odds to have gotten this far. That is why the Machine is trembling in their boots.
As long as your idea of a democracy is ignoring the results of elections in order to get your candidate to win, I will always live in more of a democracy than you. The machine is not trembling. Ron Paul is a fringe candidate who has gotten fringe results, i.e. 24 delegates. INTERNET SUPPORT DOES NOT EQUAL REALITY. Period.
Charles, Ron Paul is a widely ignored and marginalized candidate because he attacks the establishment at its very roots. Once only he and MCain are left, Americans will wonder whether they prefer a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and traitor to the conservative cause to an unshakable constitutionalist. THAT'S when he will become the people's choice. Of course, if not, then he will not get elected.
So, don't worry: Your pre-fabricated dreams of "democracy" shall not be disturbed. (By the way: The US is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. The founders abhorred a tyranny of the majority and did everything they could to prevent it.)
Poor Charles still think's that he lives in a "democracy". In the first place, we were never a "democracy"; we were a constitutional republic. In the second place, we haven't been a "constitutional republic" in years, since the Constitution was hi-jacked by Charlies over-lords.
Go back to your over-lords and report your failure to troll here Charlie. The revolution will proceed in spite of you.
"Accordingly, expect a similar withdrawal announcement from Huckabee in the near future."
Don't think so. I believe that Huckabee (the Henie Youngman of politics) doesn't want to join up with the McCaniak.
I will vote for Dr. Paul on principle whether write in or whatever regardless. And, if the government sends me a check (I am on social security but make a few FRN's on the side) I will donate it to Dr. Paul's congressional campaign as I am maxed out on the Presidential campaign.
Everyone please continue to donate. It is a long way to go, and you never know.
"Go back to your over-lords and report your failure to troll here Charlie. The revolution will proceed in spite of you."
Oh god you guys are INSANE. I wasn't even trolling here, I was just pointing out the fact that your apparent willingness to appoint Ron Paul president is against the ideals of the United States. Your assumption that we are not living under a democracy (based on virtually no evidence whatsoever) is a Nazi-like fabrication designed to support your decision to dismantle our nation and appoint a man who is not representative of the public.
I have never been truly scared of anything I have read on the internet until this moment. Up until now I simply disagree dwith the Ron Paul supporters on what I thought was a matter of political opinion, much the same as I disagree with McCain supporters. But now I realize I must actively fight against Ron Paul supporters because you are a detriment to democracy far more than any other candidate could ever be.
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion." Thomas Jefferson, September 28, 1820
And that is all that is going on here. We know we can't make it without the people in the process. It would not be wise of you to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
"And that is all that is going on here. We know we can't make it without the people in the process. It would not be wise of you to throw the baby out with the bathwater. "
I don't think some of your supporters feel this way. They wish to ignore the fact that Paul has utterly failed in the primaries because THEY think he is the best candidate - something the rest of the U.S. would wholeheartedly disagree with.
I have no problem with you trying to convince the country than Ron Paul is the right candidate. But that is not what this article is about. McCain has 600+ delegates and Paul has 24, which corresponds to a higher level of popular support for McCain. This article describes a situation in which Paul would get the nomination. Regardless of the fact that, from my point of view, this will not happen in a million years, I don't understand how you could want this to happen. Even as Ron Paul supporters, I don't see how you could actively wish to deny democracy just to get your man elected.
When i intially heard of Ron Paul's hopes of turning this nation back to the noninterventionist ways of our past i was intrigued but as i continue to listen to relentless conspiracy theories and farfetched ideals you all have i am happy that i long ago decided that Ron Paul was a complete nutcase and the worst candidate to represent this country...you are nominating a complete homophobi, racist candidate who hopes to foster in a new age of state based rule that will allow him have his slave fostering state---i realize this sounds crazy but its as crazy as you all wound to the normal population...if i do infact live in a fabricated exsistence then whay does it matter for this exsistence is all i have ever known...heres a conspiracy theory for you Ron Paul is actually a candidate palnted to keep you all bitching about how certain candidates ae misrepresented instead of bitching about the flaws in the candidates taht in the end will be running for president you are not helping democracy pave its course because you are hindering people from making educated descisions by blinding them with ridiculous notions of fraudulent elections and other ridiculous conspriacy theories
Certainly I can't speak for all Ron Paul supporters, but I believe that most of us believe that the popular support is due primarily to a public addicted to TV and the propaganda being spewed forth therefrom. A bank VP I know became acquainted with a Mexican National who relocated to the U.S. and bought a ranch. He came in one day and told the VP that Americans were the strangest people in the world. The VP asked why he would say that, and the National told him that the whole world knows that government is bad, but Americans think that government is good. Now, I am old enough to remember the Movietone News in the local 9 cent theater in 1943 explaining the with-holding tax. His exact words were, "We are going to take just a little bit out of each paycheck." There were a lot of us in that time that knew that government was bad. So, I don't care if the delagate count is 2000 to 1, I believe it is our obligation to try to inform the peoples discretion. I am the President of a company in the Military Industrial Complex and have worked for our military since 1957 and have the utmost respect for our troops. But the Truman/Harriman doctrine of containment was responsible for the wars in Korea and Vietnam (bringing our boys home in body bags at the rate of 80 per day each day in 1968) and the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war resulting in further terrible death and destruction were all unconstitutional and not worth the blood and treasure. Who speaks to these matters except for Dr. Paul who is routinely dismissed by the MSM? Then the other matters of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, interventionist foreign policy, illegal executive laws, stupid drug war, etc. Many of us believe these things need to be aired if we are truly to inform the peoples discretion. So try to give us a little slack. It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. Best.
I agree with Charles, who would vote for Ron Paul. We have more than enough Blacks and Mexicans to bring democracy to the sand-ni**ers. And if on top of that we can make sure the government ensures health care and security for everyone, I dont think anybody would mind being spied on 24/7 and paying 75% or so taxes. It works in China, and there is no reason it wont work when we can solidify the world into a single government, single race. Stupid Paultards, get on the bus before it leaves you behind.
And excellent comment, DX 10. Coming from someone who directly benefits from our current foreign policy through the military industrial complex, this speaks volumes. You are surely one of the few who cares more about our country and what is right than your own bank account.
Charles, we know that you don't like Dr. Paul, that you don't want him for a president, and that is absolutly your right as a citizen. We also know that your point in posting here is to seperate Dr. Paul from as many supporters and as many votes as you can, even if it's only one. From what I have seen of trolls like yourself, is that the truth is irrelevant to you, your point is to stop Dr. Paul. Why else would you continue to post your anti-Paul diatribe here?
My intent in the comment about the 'over-lords' was more metaphorical (and perhaps a bit sarcastic) than literal, but, hey, in your case, it may just be true, considering the tone of your postings.
As Dr. Paul has said himself, this isn't about him but about freedom. It's not about his being president but about truth and liberty. There hasn't been another man in an influential political position in GENERATIONS that took that stand and pushed it as far as it could go. All it took was for him to stand up and say 'enough is enough' and now that he has, this movement will not only grow it will go critical mass.
Charles, read about democracy v republic. When the laws of a republic are undermined by the democratic process, that process becomes a device of tyranny.
Aristotle: "Republics decline into democracies, democracies degenerate into despotism."
Yeah, I would definitely want a bunch of semi-literate imbeciles who put more thought into their American IDol vote, to have their political will thwarted.
DX10 - I fully respect the your point of view. You feel that Ron Paul is the best candidate and that people need to know this. That is the way things need to be done.
Your compatriots are implying that we ignore the delegate count, which equates to votes from the public, and try to get Ron Paul the Republican nomination. Regardless of how many would've voted for him if they had been informed, they still did not vote for Ron Paul, and we should not give him rewards (i.e. the nomination) as if they had.
I think you can agree with me when I say this: whatever unjust wars we fight, unfair taxes we pay, and ineffective "wars" we fight against drugs, it will all be worth it as long as we have a democracy. I would rather have a country in shambles under a democratically elected leader than an incredible nation under a tyranny.
I do not support unjust wars or stupid policy decisions but i resepct that they were established by democratically elected governments. I vote for people i beleive can actually change these things and that means people who can win and do whatever they can in the bureucratic system to win....undermining the election process as this article suggests is a cheaters solution to the problems at hand, you all talk of wanting to the right thing for your children yada yada, but you fail to realize is that by throwing these 250 years of republican process out the window so that you can install a government you deem appropiate isworse than continuing theses proposterous wars and policies... I am a strong advocate of ending the war but realizing that i live in government where we elect officials to make decisions about our nations future i also realize that the most important aspect in our country is the word of the populus, by appointing paul in this manner you are undermining the basic principles of a country you say you want to perserve...if all of Ron Paul's principles go through you all will one day wake up to the sad reality that life was better in the republic than the loosely based confederaion that will arise from his election
"I do not support unjust wars or stupid policy decisions but i resepct that they were established by democratically elected governments."
But, M, that is just the point. Every war from WWII on were not established by democratically elected governments. They were illegal. The courts should have struck the laws down. If we wanted the executive to be able to unilaterally prosecute wars we should have amended the Constitution. Give the government a war and liberty suffers. Now it is the bugaboo of Islamofacism. The Muslims have been trying to take over the world for nearly 1400 years and it hasn't worked so far. And they won't succeed by flying some airplanes into buildings. They will have to win by converting us one at a time to their idolatrous religion. But 9/11 did bring us the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security. I would rather have my freedom and handle my own security. Bureaucrats are only responsive to their charter. Common sense goes out the window. That is why they take your dangerous fingernail clippers away from you at the airport.
No, we are simply using the system as it has been developed, for the benefit of all, just as it has been used against all of us, to the benefit of the few rich and powerful.
"Your compatriots are implying that we ignore the delegate count, which equates to votes from the public,...."
Charles,
Why can a presidential hopeful become president without winning the popular vote.? Remember Abraham Lincoln??
It's about party unity, and if a particular bloc of Republicans unite behind a candidate then the delegates will be listening .
Popular votes do not elect, the party does. Futhermore, the voting public does not obligate the party's delegates to a particular candidate. The party decides how to be represented.
Ron Paul should talk more about the "Patriot Act". If Americans knew their history, they would know that this act and the manner in which it was passes is heinous.
Did you know that an FBI agent can go see your lawyer, doctor, accountant without a warrant issued by a judge and seize all your records? Furthermore, your lawyer, doctor, and accountant cannot even notify you this happened under penalty of emprisonment!
You guys are letting Charles get you way off track. His point (that we want to circumvent the "voice of the people") is way off, and he won't listen when you tell him so.
Let him rant. We have work to do - like wait for the taxpayer-funded (or Fed-printed) government handout to give it to Ron Paul so he can make himself heard and swing the uncommitted delegates in his favor. People like Charles don't like freedom. That's his business. We do - and that's ours.
Charles. Paul has at least 42 delegates (not 24) plus most if not all of Romney's you can include and Paul is now finally seen for what he is, the true conservative int he race. This means he can appeal to all the potential Romney supporters in the rest of the contest. We already know of quite a few Romney supporters that have gone over to Paul. Paul will now be able to have a full face in depth debate with McCain and the media cannot ignore him anymore. Remember also in 1980 Reagan was initially not the choice of the political GOP establishment, he was seen very much like Paul today. And very much the same result could happen.
don't for a second think that the CFR has lost control, the CFR controlled media will throw a hillary love fest in the general and sacrifice whatever republican, especially RP.. remember that the two partys are just seperate cheeks of the CFRs ass
Here is what the CFR has done to us, they get us to vote for the lesser of two evils. Throw all kinds of distractions at us, they laugh at us when we argue over small issues. They make sure we have multiple candidates to choose from. Keep your eyes on right hand while my left hand picks your pocket. What we should do is unite thats the only power we have. I wrote this in my blog @ this site. The name of my blog "Is the real fight for freedom" which I copied below.
I have read and witnessed the voter attitude "I like Ron Paul, I like his message, and I believe he is the most truthful, but since he does not have a chance to win, so I will vote for the lesser of two evils."
On the surface this attitude seems to be a logical, cognizant decision. But at least they do agree with something we believe, and that is they are voting for evil. If you watched the movie "Braveheart" you saw the same thing happening when the Scottish Noble men sold out Wallace and their country to the King of England. You can see very clearly that its not just getting Ron Paul elected that is important, but to get citizens of this country to realize the real message our founding fathers were trying to pass on to mankind. And that message is "YOU COUNT", your voice has weight only if you believe it does. If we lose this belief we lose everything !!! People wake up, the elitists, "THE KINGS of our ERA", MSM, "The Federal Reserve" they chuckle when they see that they have taken away what is most important to us and what is most importantly frightening to them. THAT is BELIEF in OURSELVES! By voting for the lesser of two evils you are selling out to THE KINGS of our ERA, and they have bought your most precious God given right "TO BELIEF IN YOUR SELF" Like Wallace told the Noble men, you settle for the scraps off a dining table (like dogs), when its your right to sit at the head of the table.
Your brother in arms,
George Vijil (My fore fathers fought against the King of England when America was born)
"Here is what the CFR has done to us, they get us to vote for the lesser of two evils."
Anybody notice that the choices get more evil each go-around?
And for Charles:
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Ben Franklin
[you know, one of those Founding Father guys who knew that Democracy is just another form of tyranny, one where it takes only 51% of the people to control the other 49%.]
Charles...why do you SUPPOSE that Ron Paul failed miserably in the primaries? Do you SUPPOSE it has anyting to do with the fact the main stream media, who is bought and paid for just like TAAS of the USSR used to be had anything to do with it? The fact they ignore he even EXISTS? So that the dumbed down masses can say things like I heard when I went voting...OH I THOUGHT RON PAUL WAS OUT OF THE RACE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HIM SO LONG THAT I JUST ASSUMED THAT TO BE THE CASE? And then when I told the lady the TRUTH she went ahead and voted for him? I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING F**KED BY THE MEDIA, THE STINKING IMMORAL SYSTEM AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT FOR MUCH LONGER. Talk about DEMOCRACY? 3% of the population got sick and tired of King George and kicked his ass out of this country. I say there are MORE than 3% of US sick and tired of this crap and we are getting ready to go to the NEXT level. What would that be? Try studying the REASON fo the 2nd amendment...Ron Paul is our ONLY hope from ending up in the GD streets...
So MSM must have done their job according to the anti-Paul trolls. I have wondered, is a "fringe" candidate because he didn't get the millions in free advertising and the grey slice of the pie during election results? Why didn't MSM give him a fair shake and let the people decide? What were they afraid of? This article describes the rules provided by the GOP. When the deligates get released, they are free agents. I'm still not sure about Romney's delegates. I'm not sure how you can legitimately "suspend" a campaign.
You guys are letting Charles get you way off track. His point (that we want to circumvent the "voice of the people") is way off, and he won't listen when you tell him so.
Let him rant. We have work to do - like wait for the taxpayer-funded (or Fed-printed) government handout to give it to Ron Paul so he can make himself heard and swing the uncommitted delegates in his favor. People like Charles don't like freedom. That's his business. We do - and that's ours."
If you would like to actually argue my point instead of just saying I'm wrong, I would be glad to hear it. Until then, all I see are a bunch of people supporting a fringe candidate and hoping to ignore the results of a valid election. Your entire article, Alex, aims to appoint Ron Paul president with no regard for what Americans actually want. That is NOT freedom. YOU want to destroy freedom by destroying democracy to get your favorite candidate elected.
And as a side note, vague quotes from the founding fathers have never accomplished anything in politics. If you want to be taken seriously I suggest you quit using them/
I am more than done with this discussion. You guys (with the possible exception of DX10) are just lunatics - plain and simple. I hope you fail - wait, I KNOW you will fail. Congratulations.
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