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After Super Tuesday, Ron Paul Should Consider a Plan-B

Money and Support from the grass roots aren't getting it done for one presidential candidate.
by Bob Nightingale
(libertarian)
Wednesday, February 6, 2008

Tracking the Ron Paul bid for over a year, I had expected better results last night. The CNN ticker this morning has Ron Paul finishing second in Montana, and third in Utah, North Dakota, Alaska, and Minnesota. I know I'm going to get a few angry emails that I don't understand that the popular vote doesn't translate into final delegate count. 9 of the 21 states are winner-take-all. Fourth place finishes get as many delegates as second place--zero.

A few delegates were won along the way. One article in the Herald-Dispatch reports a deal was struck for the Paul people to support Huckabee so they could get three of the 18 West Virginia delegates to the national convention, if Huckabee wins. So at least in West Virginia, Ron Paul comes in second with delegate count, even though CNN is showing his popular vote to be zero percent.

But this is part of the political calculation that will be needed by the campaign to salvage some victory, considering all the money and time spent. It will have to look at the true number of delegates garnered on a state-by-stage basis. The number of delegates reported by the news media are estimates, mostly based on a winner-take-call mentality. The campaign's claim of a second place victory in Maine last weekend meant that Paul got some of those 18 delegates that the news media usually give to Romney.

Even with aberrations in the delegate projections, it looks like McCain gets over half, Romney about a third, and Huckabee with a surprising sixth. With McCain's projected delegate count at over 600, he's over half way to the 1,191 needed to get the nomination.

For those who passionately believe in smaller government, greater personal freedom, and an end to war in Iraq, supporting any of the other three candidates isn't palatable. While Romney and Huckabee continue to cannibalize each other's base, it looks like McCain will waltz into the convention with the most delegates, if not a lock on the nomination.

From the beginning, Ron Paul said that this race is not about him, but the message. Unless his campaign can do something quickly to change these trends, the message will finish fourth, along with the candidate.

With very few delegates to date, he doesn't have the leverage to negotiate with Romney or Huckabee. He does have a few million dollars in the bank, which may be more than the three amigos combined. If he stays in, and Huckabee drops out, which doesn't seem likely as long as the governor has some money to continue, there will be less competition for the libertarian message. Discounting a possible run in another party, it's probably the best Paul can hope for.

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Posted By: Teddy
Date: 2008-02-06 06:12:56

They can win all the delegates they want but the delegates votes are non binding.  So out of those estimated 600 McCain got, at the convention those delegates can vote how ever they please.  I have a question thou, if the economy is the #1 issue, why the hell are people voting McCain??

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Posted By: Derac
Date: 2008-02-06 06:14:32

Thanks for the happy talk. Why don't we all just shoot ourselves and get it over with?

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Posted By: ciborium
Date: 2008-02-06 06:29:05

As long as McCain's delegate count is 1190 or less, Ron Paul is in it. 

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Posted By: Multimediamonitor
Date: 2008-02-06 06:53:36

  1. Am I right in thinking that 1191 is a majority, perhaps even an absolute majority?  If I am wrong ignore the next questions.
  2. Why is it necessary to get a majority in primary polls of delegates choosing their nominee?
  3. Why is it unnecessary to get some sort of majority in polls of eligible voters choosing their president?

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Posted By: Bill
Date: 2008-02-06 07:02:07

2 problems: 1) Independents couldn't vote in GOP primaries in some states 2) Independents and/or Libertarians didn't change their party affiliation to GOP to vote for Ron Paul yesterday. I changed to GOP just to vote for Dr. Paul, and I was proud to. Now I'm changing back to Independent.

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Posted By: Stephen
Date: 2008-02-06 07:17:22

Voter fraud, voter fraud, voter fraud! We're supposed to believe these to be the true results? People braved the wind and rain b/c they were so excited to vote for McCain? I witnessed fraud at my precinct (delegate candidates counting the ballots, and running for delegate when they already have a spot as an uncommitted party delegate), and we're suing. Not that it will do any good. These people have no fear of reprisal. Let's introduce a bill that anyone committing voter fraud is executed for treason.

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Posted By: Ed
Date: 2008-02-06 07:29:09

With the media constantly ignoring Paul, not inviting him to debates or calling him a "long shot", its a wonder he got this much support!!

There ARE people out there that research the candidates, but apparently not enough of us.

I can't even begin to tell you how weird it is to see McCain, of all the ones running, coming out ahead.

He has voted for sending MORE troops to Iraq and he has voted for amnesty for illegal aliens.

As many people that were against those issues, I have to think that at LEAST half of the people voting for him have NO idea what he stands for. Instead they probably heard the usual spew on the campaign trail, that they ALL use to get elected, and believed it.  

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Posted By: Abe
Date: 2008-02-06 07:36:56

Stay the course with Dr. Paul. All of these numbers were expected by the campaign. Ron Paul knew the poll numbers going into Super Tuesday. He is amassing an impressive campaign staff. This thing ain't over yet.

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Posted By: Geo
Date: 2008-02-06 07:40:06

Frank Zappa - Over-Nite Sensation - I'm The Slime, September 1973

"I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks . . .
Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go"


No matter what, Paul's supporters you are the best America has ever produce!


Canadian friend

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Posted By: wheresthecreamfilling
Date: 2008-02-06 07:42:38

The flawed primary system is why Ron Paul isn’t doing better…

In my state of Florida, If you are an Independent (as half of registered voters are), you are NOT permitted to vote in primary elections. So, in my opinion as an independent, the primary’s are a big joke and have no real credibility. I have seen twice as many Ron Paul signs as any other candidates signs here in Florida and yet he got 2% in the primary here… I rest my case.

P.S. Google "hacking democracy"

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Posted By: Sean F
Date: 2008-02-06 07:49:42

This is an absolute win for Ron Paul. We all always knew that Ron Paul was not going to get enough delegates to steal the nomination. He just needs enough to bring to the convention, which he has. The plan was to make it to a brokered convention, so that the message would get out to all of the republicans. The delegates are in fact uncommitted and many of them may not even know who Ron Paul is.By having a brokered convention, they will all hear the message, no matter how the media has tried to black him out. The media will have no choice but to show the good doctor and his message as the whole thing will be televised. It will be run by the GOP, not the biased main stream media. This is what we need. Everyone will be watching if there is a brokered convention, Republican and Democrat. Whether the good doctor gets elected or not, the seed of freedom will be planted. People will start to awaken from their apathy and question the things going on around them. It happened to me, and all it took was hearing Ron Paul speak 1 time. I used to watch Fox News almost exclusively when I was in the Army, and even after I had gotten out. I didn’t even notice that the Neocons were hijacking the Republican Party. After hearing Ron Paul speak in length, and agreeing with so much of what he said, I did some more research on him and the Libertarian Party. I realized that I am not only a conservative Republican, I am also a Libertarian. Ronald Reagan once said, "If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism". This speaks volumes to all those who think that Mitt Romney is a conservative and it is laughable to think that McCain is. Having said that, I think that no matter which way you lean politically, we all have a little libertarian in us. We are all Americans. This country was founded on the platform Ron Paul is running his campaign on. We have gotten far away from what our founding fathers intended for us. But know this; the message absolutely does not have to "finish fourth, along with the candidate". Not if We the People keep fighting. Even if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, the reason it is about the message is because people die, but the message doesn’t have to. It is up to all of us to carry on that message. If you truly believe in the words that Dr Paul speaks about freedom and liberty, then the message can never "finish fourth".This is called the Ron Paul Revolution. If Ron Paul isn’t elected, and the status quo continues, then it just a revolution. We the People must rise up and be heard. Let the powers that be know that we will not give up our freedoms anymore. We need to be organized, and that is what this campaign has already started. The meet-ups. The forums. The blogs. The websites. It is already there. This is the framework for our revolution. Ron Paul is always talking about civil disobedience. There are many things we can do to continue the fight.Don’t Give Up! Stand proudly behind the Freedom Fighter Dr. Ron Paul.

You can email me about joining a meetup at seanone23 on Yahoo.

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Posted By: Catherine
Date: 2008-02-06 08:22:13

You know, I live in Memphis, TN and it was rather convenient that there were tornado warnings at five o'clock last night, when most people get off of work and vote.  This freakish weather spread all throughout the south, and was very disturbing:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jW-BndswWuhgPAPXOK4Q6TCQsANQD8UKRCLG0

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=anlsUOtMagv4&refer=us 

 

Don't you think that they should re-consider the results in Arkansas, Tennesee, and Kentucky since we were missing the two last crucial hours or voting?  I really wish people could reconsider the voting because of the weather.

 Oh, whatever.  like what Stephen said, it's all voter fraud, anyway.

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Posted By: R King
Date: 2008-02-06 08:42:44

Whatever happens, Im voting for Ron Paul. If he stays as a Republican, or goes to Independent. Nobody else has  a chance in hell of getting MY Vote.

 

This may very well be my final election.

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Posted By: Patrick
Date: 2008-02-06 09:23:28

The message is bigger than the man. Let's keep up the campaign even after the elections are over. People need to know the truth about our government and our policies, or this nation is absolutely doomed. We cannot go on like this.

 So long as Dr. Paul holds to his message of freedom, I will follow him to the very end. 

 McKane will NOT be my president, nor will any of those other snakes. 

 

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Posted By: G
Date: 2008-02-06 09:31:18

Im 47 years old and will not vote for mccain.

my vote is reserved for Ron Paul as republican or independent. 

Regards 

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Posted By: mdjosyf
Date: 2008-02-06 09:48:32

My vote is also reserved for Ron Paul whether he is the GOP nominee or runs as an independent. Even if he bows out I will write in Ron Paul.

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Posted By: censoredagain
Date: 2008-02-06 09:50:24

There might be voter fraud involved but I don't think most of the results are due to voter fraud.  Paul's poor performance is due to the ignorance and laziness of Americans, plain and simple.  Americans are looking for the government to save them. What they are to dumb to know is that big government is not out to save them but to enslave them.  Americans will be sold down the river by their own government. 

The spirit of the dodo bird lives in the typical American.... Thank God I'm not typical!!!

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Posted By: Paulina
Date: 2008-02-06 09:54:24

That's right ya'll !! We will not give up, we will fight until the end, and even if we lose the election we need to keep going with the message to everybody and wake them up, it is so true that it is  up to us only to stop all this madness from  happening, so it is crucial that we keep going no matter what.

 

Ron Paul has my whole family's vote!!!! 

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Posted By: the statist
Date: 2008-02-06 10:09:58

Obama has more fans than Ron Paul. Soon the game over sign will appear for Ron Paul and he will run out of quarters.

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Posted By: PromoteLiberty
Date: 2008-02-06 10:11:14

If Ron Paul does not win a significant number of delegates to be a contender for the Republican nomination, before the Libertarian Party’s National Convention in May, he should seek the LP nomination. Running on the LP ticket has several advantages, the most significant being more accessible ballot access in 50 states. Paul should then announce during a nationally televised interview that the Republican Party clearly is an opponent to limited government, individual liberty, a truly free-market, and a peaceful, noninterventionist foreign policy and he is rescinding his membership and joining the LP, also encouraging his supporters to the same. It would benefit America, if Ron Paul was to continue delivering the liberty message through the General Election in November, especially if he gets to participate in the Presidential Debates. It would also benefit the LP, the membership of which has been promoting these ideas for over 30 years. He would likely win his congressional seat again, but as a Libertarian.

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Posted By: Robert
Date: 2008-02-06 10:14:35

Personal responisbility is what is lacking and why younger people are drawn to the campaign, college students providing for themselves or paying for college themself. These are the people that it strikes a cord with.

Many others around the country awake to see the failing economy and go to buy groceries for the month, only then realizing the same amount they spent last time has changed, and now they will have to go without.

Wake up America your youth is calling, answer the call as Freedom rings out, to the roof tops and on the streets, freedom will ring and all will know.

The message of freedom, will never fall.  

 

Seeing the prices rise, and my paycheck get smaller,

what has happened to the glorious dollar?

The time will come when we will meet

the time will come when you will feel defeat.

The time will come at a blast of a horn,

you will fill it when we scorn.

The revolution stands, strong and steady, and true

Freedom will prevail, and im gonna tell you

That Ron Paul may not win the election but in the hearts and minds of those around this country he has already begun winning against the interventionist-military complex type that believes it is morally acceptible to perform first strike against nations that MAY have the ability to attack us. Be wary my friends when freedom calls, it may be then end of all.

Be it freedom in death or freedom in life i will never live in strife, my focus is clear, and my point is straight.

We will win, America, because we are great.

 

viva la REVOLUTION

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Posted By: LisaZ1
Date: 2008-02-06 10:26:51

PromoteLiberty stated: "If Ron Paul does not win a significant number of delegates to be a contender for the Republican nomination, before the Libertarian Party’s National Convention in May, he should seek the LP nomination" and he gives some solid reasons why it might work. I keep hearing that this would be a terrible idea but no one can tell me why. I'd also like to know why Ron Paul himself is so adamant that he won't run as anything but a Republican. Can anyone educate me? I am behind RP until the very end and like many others will write him in if he drops out, but unless we can begin to see other candidates of his stature in the future, this may well be my last election. I just don't see the point in voting anymore. 

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Posted By: jim_NYC
Date: 2008-02-06 10:37:19

In this election I won't vote for anyone except Ron Paul.  I don't care what party he runs under. An average of 5% nationwide will tilt the election. 

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Posted By: GoReadRand
Date: 2008-02-06 10:59:18

So many people decide to vote based on what the Media is saying.  The mainstream media intentionally left Ron Paul out at a critical point in the election.  Several candidates had recently dropped out, and a lot of folks turned on the news to see who is still in.  When they said "three remaining candidates for the Republican ticket" many voters assumed that Paul was out.... I'm no expert, but my ballot in California still had all candidates listed-- including those who dropped out-- so I’m sure a lot of folks didn't even consider Paul because they thought he was out of the race, since NO ONE mentioned him.  It's a shame.  Now everyone can go back to complaining-- hate their president in 3 years for doing nothing-- approve of him (or her, lord help us all) just in time to barely award him a second term, and then hold our breaths until we can give him his all time lowest approval rating while he sits out his lame duckness.  Aren't we supposed to learn from history rather than repeat it?  Oh well, I guess we're all still relying on a media we don't trust and voting for the president we'd love to hate.  Thanks to everyone who used skepticism, made their own choice, and did their homework—all 4 or 5% of us.

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Posted By: Ron
Date: 2008-02-06 11:11:54

While DigitalBob's assessment is fair and accurate, let's not forget that the great thing about this campaign is that it got the message into a lot of ears it wouldn't have otherwise.

For myself, I knew from the outset that Paul wouldn't win(and I still voted for him). I voted for him because a vote for anyone else would be sending a wrong message about what *I* want for my country. So I did my civic duty and that's what's important. I voted my conscience.

I knew he wouldn't win because here in the US, most people are afraid of the thought of really being free. Most love the false security that big government provides people. That's pretty much the heart of the matter. As Libertarian minded individuals, we are offering a message that scares most people. We are trying to sway people who not only take refuge in the false security of big government as protector, but also in the false security of consensus/collectivist thinking.

To expect that a nation so gripped by collective cowardice that they stood silent as their elected officials stripped them of their rights of due process and privacy in the guise of the patriot act and other legislation passed since 9/11 would suddenly embrace a message of liberty was not a reasonable expectation.

What Paul and the rest of us who spread the word did was remind people that the dream has not died and that we will not let it die. It does not matter how many terrorist attacks occur, how many patriot acts get passed, how many mainstream "news" outlets keep our views out, how few votes we get, we are not afraid to pay the price for freedom(living in a world where are more vulnerable than we would be if the government watched over us all) and we will not let the dream of liberty die. 

The message will go out and we should not lose heart. Freedom is not given by the government or determined by elections. It begins and ends within our selves and we must always remember. It is as a free person that I support Ron Paul and as a free person that I will lose this election with him, gladly. And it is as a free person that I will never give up the dream and desire for a free society based on the principles of individual liberty, no matter what nightmares of terrorism the scared masses cling to at the behest of a government who claims it will protect them from the boogeyman.

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Posted By: Robert
Date: 2008-02-06 11:15:31

Alright a recap then,

1. Ron Paul will never say he is going to run or considering to run a third party because the msm and the republicans would say he is and always has been not a republican and they want to kick him out asap, so he can't say it.

2. Ron Paul has said he will stay with the campaign, until the money stops coming in. Well with the way he spends money then he is trully in it for the long haul

3. Ron Paul will run a third party run if we want him to and if the money follows, also bringing back the Republican base maybe more important to taking the white house than running third party.

4. Republicans have had a history of small govt, until recently, when the base of the party was infiltrated by the neo-cons.  Hence, why so many are leaving the party for good, leaving open spots to be filled with people who can actually do what they are suppose to.  Or the Dems get the spots and we are more screwed with socialism than i want to even think about.

5. Ron Paul has already won the hearts of millions of people world wide with his ideals, and the message of freedom; it will continue to spread for years to come. 

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Posted By: Kirk
Date: 2008-02-06 11:16:39

The idea of winners and losers have been so well entrenched in our psyche for so long that we leave much room for those in power to upset us.  Our system has been controlled for a long time folks.  Winners and losers is a concept of our Super bowl mentality; we would do well to look at this fight for liberty as something that has been an eternal struggle, something we are always vigilant of.  This is the first time since the advent of our history and as a people of a country that we have been able to disseminate information so quickly and organize on a big scale.  This is why Ron Paul is so happy, and why we should feel proud.  The Internet has become a weapon against the elites that own it.  The idea that we win or lose here in this election is not the idea Ron Paul wants to promote.  He wants to raise awareness, raise consciousness and build and army that can fight for a thousand years or more.  Just because we see the conspiracies enacted in front of our faces doesn’t’ mean we should be so short sighted and feel disheartened.  In fact we cannot battle with our foes in a game they created, for they already chose the winner and the loser.  We must change the game.  I’m not suggesting being violent; this is also their game that they’ve become the best at.  We need a revolution of the spirit and mind.  We need to organize and become something larger then they’ve expected.  Personally, I feel we all need to keep waking up and keep pursuing the truth.  We need to create not out of comfort for our physical bodies but for the idea that the soul or the human spirit needs to be free.  True liberty would be something we organize on.  I’m not saying I’ve got the answers here.  I’m just saying we are just beginning this fight that is bigger then we can imagine.          

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Posted By: Mac Stevens
Date: 2008-02-06 12:06:45

I am very happy to see at least a few % of free Americans.

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Posted By: Sean
Date: 2008-02-06 12:31:24

Truth is treason in an empire of lies

Paul said that sentence, we really live in empire of lies, all voting machines working like federal reserve; secretive and without any audit.

2days ago Ron Paul was in Minnesota and more than 4000 people came to see him, now he got only 9500 vote (82% counts) according to CNN !!!
As many people wrote about it, how come when they start the counts, Dr Paul is in 3-6 percent and he stays that way for all %100 vote counts !!!???You can see the SET Up right there, just think.

In California, many of us asked for Paper Ballot, but still many got the Machines instead. And does it matter? to them.

Look back to NH recount which still on the Air!!

He did very good at all caucuses, where there is no voting machine to cheat, and very bad in all states with voting ( fraud) machines?!

like in California , he did less than Giuliani !!!!! How come, it is aset up

It is all fraud and lies, they try to make us desperate, and disappointed, but they don't know that we are so stubborn,

We are very powerful and big, that is why all the bankers and elite and MSM  even scared of  Paul's picture.


they want McCain and Billary now, but that is much better for Dr Paul in long run, when he is going to be an independent candidate in late summer.

anyway still he has more time and more power to reach new people to continue the movement.

and probably later he has to fight against Bloomberg. Elite already reserved him, just in case Dr Paul goes independent.But we can beat him too.

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Posted By: PapiLocoStPete
Date: 2008-02-06 13:04:32

... just keep swimming

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Posted By: RaferJanders
Date: 2008-02-06 13:08:30

Hey  you American's tell us they wan't John McShame, or Shrillery, or Baby O, this is bullstein, "If this is the way America wants it?" "Well she gets it!" People wake up, the three above are going to bankrupt this country, War,entitlements,illegal imagration, the game is going to come to a swift end if you vote for anyone of the three, they are on the same team, North American Union's team. Hope all of you have a backup plan,rember the 6p's "Prior Planning,Prevents,Pisspoor,Performance. Never Quit! RonPaul08

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Posted By: ScottN
Date: 2008-02-06 13:24:25

Last night I went to the caucus. Twelve people are the normal showing for this caucus but 49 people attended and 7 were for Ron Paul (all under 30 years of age except for moi’). But what AMAZED me and depressed me was how people were reciting what the MSM has been saying about the candidates (and what a mess). They were so brainwashed I was in shock. No one researched any of the candidate’s positions or knew anything regarding their past performance. “Romney has great family values”, “McCain does not support war”, “ Huckabee has excellent management skills” One guy said “Paul scares me” his wife asked why was that (I think she like Paul’s platform) “I go that from the news, he scares people”, UNBELIEVEABLE. The same guy told me he has just lost over 25% of his 401k but did not know why and that hold for all but just a handful at the caucus who were talking. My point is that nearly all of Americans are completely un-informed as to the condition for the economy. I have to say that these people mean well (showed up to vote) they were completely miss-informed by the MSM. I think that the Ron Paul revolution needs to pull in ranks and realize that it is very unlikely Dr. Paul will get in office. BUT…we all wanted to just get the message out and a GREAT amount of that has happened. Just look how the other candidates had to modify their platform because of Dr. Paul and all his supports! It’s really amazing if you ask me. I think Dr. Paul could use what is left of his funds (and we can all continue to support him) to help promote stopping the erosion of the US Constitution. And the RP Revolution can also close ranks now and begin to help each other ready to survive the upcoming economic generated problems with advice and support. Continue to support the meet up and even have a huge meet up convention! We can be a very powerful peaceful political movement in the near future, helping to vote in those who follow the constitution and vote out those who do not. And that is a LOT of POWER! Like a Dog Pile on the bad candidate! DOG PILE, DOG PILE! Ah…maybe I’m to idealistic.

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Posted By: Greg
Date: 2008-02-06 14:24:18

The calamity that befell Jerusalem in the day of Isaiah is being visited upon our land today (see below). 

God help us all and turn us toward righteousness. 

Isa 3:1  For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
Isa 3:2  The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
Isa 3:3  The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
Isa 3:4  And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.

Isa 3:5  And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.
Isa 3:6  When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand:
Isa 3:7  In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people.
Isa 3:8  For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.
Isa 3:9  The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Isa 3:10  Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
Isa 3:11  Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.
Isa 3:12  As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

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Posted By: Torn
Date: 2008-02-06 14:50:03

I love the Dr. I love what he stands for. I love the idea of America, not what we have become, but what we were supposed to be.

Let's just say, that by some miracle Dr Paul became president. Do any of you believe for a minute that he would succeed transforming the rotten system we have into what the founding fathers intended?

Do you think that he would live long enough? The corrupt "Masters of the Universe" weild so much power and are so far removed the accountability of their actions. Do you doubt for a minute that Dr Paul would be the next JFK? The mystery would never be solved...

It is much better that he continue his fight... without getting into the White House. Keep beeting the drums of FREEDOM!

Everyone who has heard the Ron Paul message and finally started to question what our freedoms really mean - I salute you!

Keep beating the drums of FREEDOM!

If he carries the fight alone our nation is lost. If we all carry the fight together - our nation will be reborn!

But whatever happens, don't be naive. Plan for the worst. Start preparing your exit strategy... You never know how bad things can get, until its too late!

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Posted By: MJ
Date: 2008-02-06 15:13:39

This article addresses the impotance of the message. We are in it for the long haul. I believe the Paul supporters will support this message loudly throughout the country. Having Paul in the race even with a minimal of coverage is forcing the issues and reaching more people everyday!!!! R EVOL UTION!!!! RON PAUL!!!

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Posted By: david
Date: 2008-02-06 15:22:32

Torn--you're so right re what might happen if Dr. Paul were to come to a position of serious, powers-that-be-threatening power, like the Presidency.  I wonder how many people like myself it has occurred to?  You're the first I've heard actually come out and say it.

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Posted By: david
Date: 2008-02-06 15:25:17

Torn--your thoughts re Dr. Paul's personal safety in the event of his being elected (or even considered a serious contender) are right on. 

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Posted By: Mike
Date: 2008-02-06 16:21:10

I just voted for Ron Paul in the CA primary. Now it's time to re-register as a Libertarian and grow the LP by one person and shrink the Neo-GOP by one person.

In the general election I'll either vote Ron Paul as a write-in or vote Libertarian (or hopefully both) 

And I think I'll donate to Murray Sabrin and any other Ron Paul Republicans I can find to spread the word of freedom and the Constitution.

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Posted By: phil marler
Date: 2008-02-06 18:38:08

sorry people.  there is some voting fraud, but i'm afraid the majority of the problem is our very own apathy.  you have to realize that most people are ignorant and prefer it that way.  They will not raise up until there is already a problem.  If you plan on fixing our problem, start thinking about how the middle class is being destroyed and downgraded into the lower class.  A lower class with less education, less guidance, and nobody there to help them up. Certainly not our police state government.  Certainly not any certain political party.  The majority of people have accepted long ago the Republican Democrat jargon as rule.  I cannot tell you how hard it is to convince my own step dad about Ron Paul.  He agrees with every one of his issues, and yet is unwilling to vote for him because he is a republican.  Ron Paul would have had a better chance running as a democrat touting change.  The republican party is an institution in decay and those of us who have voted Libertarian for years are a bit bedazzled at the idea of voting republican as well.    The country doesn't understand Reganomics.  They don't understand Long Term Goals.  Yes maybe Reagan made the deficit worse.  But it led to a huge economic boom in the 1990's, and if continued tax reform had been implemented we would be on our way to prosperity once again.  Instead new taxes were introduced, new regulations, new deals with foreign entities, nation building. 

Dr. Paul, please run on the Constitutionalist Ticket.  To heck with this two party system.  We have to hurt the status quo.  We have to send it back to Europe where that trash belongs.  We have to show them what true conservatism is.  We have to show them that the people run this country, and not an intricate network of intellegence agencies, business executives    We have to show them that questioning your past isin't wrong, it's your (our)  responsibility.  Zapata Oil.  CIA/FBI  secret operations happening without the permission of the Congress.  Give me a break.  Dr. Paul, I realize you are trying to fix the republican party, but it's not worth fixing.  

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Posted By: ralphie
Date: 2008-02-06 20:34:09

"From the beginning, Ron Paul said that this race is not about him, but the message. Unless his campaign can do something quickly to change these trends, the message will finish fourth, along with the candidate."

 

The strategy and the Mr Nice Guy stance was dead wrong.

Its about winning. And the powers that be arent going to let this phenomenon take place again. 

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Posted By: Ron Paul Is Finished
Date: 2008-02-06 20:57:15

Face the facts: Ron Paul is finished. 

 If he was to run as a libertarian, he'd probably help the libertarian party drastically but ruin his own chances of re-election.

 Ron Paul gets a lot of votes from republicans who flip that "republican" switch in the voting booth.  As a libertarian, he'd lose those votes.  And there are people gunning for him. 

 I say he should do it, however.  Ron Paul's support nationwide should pull enough votes to let libertarians get access to federal election funds and open up more ballot access.  However, Paul would probably be sacrificing his position in congress to do this.

John McCain is very unpopular among many conservatives.  Who knows.   I'm sure at a debate with Paul, McCain, and Clinton or Obama, Paul will appear even better than other debates.   Just make sure to let others know he is against open borders because the others are.

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Posted By: G
Date: 2008-02-06 21:08:08

Keep donating, $5, $20, 50, 100. to ronpaul2008.com

The other candidates are out of $.  It is the money that will take them down, in the end!

 
 

 Harry Truman held up a 90 point headline that says, "Dewey Defeats Truman." The picture has appeared in most college statistic books published ever since.

 Dewey won among households that had telephones in 1948.

AND THEN THERE WAS THE COMPUTER, MSN/BS, FOX/BS, CBS/BS.

Go for the royal flush "my friends" (sorry did not mean to borrow statements from mccain). 

Regards to all 

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Posted By: Jericobariah
Date: 2008-02-07 21:41:18

Romney is dropping, but he doesn't like McCain or Huckabee. Who's left for him to support? Not Alan Keyes...

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Posted By: Rigormortis
Date: 2008-02-08 12:32:29

Cut the b.s. people.

 

Ron Paul has more money than the others. He is also fiscally adept with it

 

He has the young people of this nation surrounding him, and while us oldies sit and bitch, young people go out and tell their friends and anyone that will listen. Enthusiasm does count.

 

The Dr. has the message. We can bitch about the media blackout (which we cannot control), or we can counteract the media by getting the word out ourselves.

 

We have way more people showing up at the caucuases than any other candidates. THIS IS WHAT COUNTS. Stop whining, and go be a delegate. THAT is how we get R/P as President.

STOP arguing with naysayers and internet trolls. They are there to dissuade you and bring you down. If you believe in the man and the message, put your nose to the grindstone and get to work.

Carry on....

 

 

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