Topic: Ron Paul
Ron Paul Still Running, Why? Super Tuesday results are just about in for the Presidential Primaries of the Republican and Democratic Parties and the percentages are dismal so people want to know why the Texas Congressman is still running in the dog and pony show.by Gary Wood
(Conservative Libertarian)
Wednesday, February 6, 2008
At the time of this writing Ron Paul has captured an average of 6.5% based on the reported results of 20 of the 21 states so far. This is inline with earlier indications from the primaries held prior to Super Tuesday. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to figure out the overall delegate count (what the two party primaries are really about) is going to be roughly 1% of what is necessary to secure the Republican Party nomination.
It also appears the old Republican outsider, Senator John McCain, has the momentum to capture the nomination during the convention. Tradition tells us it is time for a candidate with Ron Paul's showing to bow out of the running yet he continues to campaign. I cannot speak for the campaign yet simply share my beliefs on the top three reasons why the campaign goes on.
1. Dr. Paul is not a traditional Presidential candidate. His supporters are not traditional Republicans (in the modern sense anyway as the party has changed dramatically over the past three decades and even Ronald Reagan probably couldn't win today's GOP nomination).
2. The campaign has a lot of work yet to do. With such a small percentage casting votes in favor of his message of liberty, peace, limited government, and people controlling the government rather than the government controlling the people its clear more citizens need to hear the message. The message isn't elect Ron Paul as much as wake up, we don't need more of the change we've had the last century, and we need a restoration. The foundations of the Federalist Republic experiment are crumbling. We are more a democracy than we were ever meant to be. We have an extremely strong Federal government controlling States and people! We are slipping rapidly into a socialized nation with an oligarchy rule. The popularity of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama shows there are too many citizens embracing this transition. He's running to keep the message going out as long as possible.
3. Supporters are just starting to understand the importance of the revolution that has developed around his candidacy. The longer he runs the more understanding develops. This year it is about education and involvement in the local elections that will select officials at the State and Federal levels. That involvement must continue through 2010 and by 2012 the message will have reached a significant number who will get involved in restoration. There are 469 Federal chances to get some like-minded candidates elected this year. Another 468 opportunities will be available in 2010 and 2012. There are thousands of state and local office holders to be selected in addition to the Federal representatives. The longer he runs the better chance there is the supporters of Ron Paul will stay together and focus on these winnable races.
4. Its fun to really confuse the political pundits who just don't get it! Besides, he's a doctor and understands shaking the head side-to-side builds neck muscles. (OK, that's my personal enjoyment but I'm writing this so thought I'd toss it in.)
The American Revolution did not start with the drafting and acceptance of the Declaration of Independence. It started decades earlier with a slow awakening of understanding the British Monarchy was not the best form of government for liberty minded, personally responsible, free willed people. Ron Paul's campaign and the good doctor himself has been the alarm clock beginning a second slow awakening. Tonight represents the voting citizens have mostly hit the snooze button. The campaign continues because if we keep hitting snooze we the people lose!
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This may be the best article I've read, and I read a lot of them. You are a true patriot Gary.
The Revolution has just begun. On days like today it's easy to lose hope as we watch those who promise to gut our freedoms move closer to taking office. We must continue to come together and smoke them out from the bottom up.
We answer to no Government, the Government answers to us. We are... Americans.
The way I figure it he plans to use his the clout of delegates to make sure he gets to make a speech at 6am on Saturday at the convention instead of 1am on Sunday.
You missed the biggest point. Nobody really knows the true delegate total, ESPECIALLY the MSM. Only in the WTA states are delegates assured, and even then only until that candidate drops. In the rest, it's a totally different issue. That's why the precinct leaders are so important as as the delegate slates. That's where the real convention votes are.
What do you think the chances are for this ticket to be able to win the White House?
After hearing about what happened in West Virginia and how a little team work got win-win-win results for three camps. Could this type of working together despite differences actually work in this country? In this Election?
For many, many elections Americans have had to decide between the best of two evils. So by compromising the Win or Die trying strategy a little. Both Huckabee and Paul could actually do something positive for this Country.
I was searching the internet for what people had too say about this subject and ran across some video of an exchange between these two in one of the Debates, they were talking about the war in Iraq.
This was probably the closest thing that has come to an actual debate in one of these things I have seen. Huckabee makes the point that we went in there and broke it, we need to take responsibility for what we did. Paul wants us out and we should not sacrifice our troops to save face. Like most things in life, the answer is most likely somewhere in the middle. We need to bring our troops home, but we do have a responsibility for our past mistakes. But the war issue is not the point I am trying to make.
What I am saying is that these two working together, could be a viable team that could actually get the win together. and make a change as well as avoid us having to deal with one of the other candidates from either party controlling the White house. Imagine the consequences of that happening, all because there are not perfectly aligned views between Huckabee and Paul. BTW, just like the views of all Paul supporters are not perfectly aligned with one another (In a big way I might add)
Well, regardless of the response to this thread. I will continue to support Paul and the principles he stands for. I just want to further this movement and will vote for anyone running on a Ron Paul Republican platform.
Thanks Lil John, I appreciate the kind words, we will restore this country or they can pry my dead fingers from my keyboard! ;0)
Chris, there's been teams a plenty that had to compromise on issues to get along to win. The most famous is probably Kennedy / Johnson in modern times, I don't see that as the stumbling block however. Before this would work Huckabee would need to win the nomination (or Paul). The old Cheshire Cat (read that on a blog at MyFoxUtah.com by Richard Cheney, great comparison) McCain is going to be hard pressed to lose with the party elite behind him. Hucksters main strong states took part tonight, the rest of the way is a tough putt for him. If McCat gets it look for him to ask Huckabee and Huckabee to accept.
McCain/Huckabee vs. Obama/Clinton will be a landslide victory for Dems as the people still want too much from their government. Anywho, that's my 1/4 cent worth of opinion on it, not a bad idea but reaching fruition with it is the hard part.
I guess the question is... Is Huckabee running for VP or President? I would guess that if, Huckabee gave the Ron Paul VP thing the nod, then we (Ron Paul Supporters) could get behind that and team up with Huckabees people to pull this off.
Together both groups could do some amazing things to win this thing.
A win means change... everything else is just talk.
Chris, to attempt to publicly broker a deal like that would become a real political football McCain could have a field day with. Besides, if it were made that public in the midst of all this JohnBo and the GOP elite would probably whip Huckabee into shape and tell him the only VP deal will be between he and McCain.
Personally I've felt for a long time Huckabee has shifted his focus to the VP position once McCain started moving toward front-limper...ummm...runner status. He figures McCain is good for four years and then he can go eight. I don't see it with the way the registered Dems are getting out and voting this year however.
OK, so if thats the case. Does Ron Paul leave the Republican Party?
Do the Ron Paul Republicans start a new party... or Revive an old one? This movement must not stop, there needs to be a next step. I am not political at all, I have never cared for anyone running for office and think they are all crooked. We need change and I think Ron Paul is leading the way for the kind of change that we need in this Country.
I was doing some research and what I found was that the Whig party (from the North) is what the Republican party was founded from. They basically stood for the things Paul talks about. Know I don't really like the sound of the Whig party name, but I could care less what I am called as long as I am FREE!
Rock n Roll
Chris
P.S. I guess my suggestions put me way out there in the Frindge like the MSM claims all Ron Paul supporter to be. oh well, so be it. I guess as a Father of 4 and an Entrepreneur I am way out there on the edge of society.
This is a marathon and people are not yet ready for the libertarian message. The pain simple isn't great enough yet. Pain is the greatest teacher but the pain from decades of unsustainable policies has not yet materialized.
When the economic crisis unfolds over the coming years and more people lose their houses and at lot of people lose their jobs, then and only then will people be ready to look for real change.
I believe Hillary or Obama will win simple because the economy will go from bad to worse over the coming months. A ruling party rarely wins when the economy goes against them.
Leaving aside Chris' "Oh, the MSM is against us! Woe is us!" wail that I hear from way too many Ron Paul supporters (Jesus, Mary and Joseph, grow up already. I like Ron Paul too, but too many of his supporters sound like they've had sand kicked in their face on the school playground. We were never in the mainstream of a Republican Party that's all in favor of adventurism abroad and big-government conservatism at home, and we never had a chance save for one of those lightning in a bottle moments), I think there is a good point that this the moment of truth where Ron Paul and his army have to make the decision whether to fight on to change the Republican Party (a la the Goldwater supporters after '64) or start looking outside the 2-party system.
Posted By: Linda Inveninato
Date: 2008-02-06 06:17:10
Dr. Paul has already admitted that his Party, the Republican Party, will undoubtedly ignore his message all the way through the Convention. The Republican party is broken, the average Republican doesn't even know what "conservative" means anymore. Surely, the Dems will win in a Dem/Rep (2 party) race. We don't believe any Republican can win. Not McCain. Not Romney. Not Huckabee. Not Dr. Paul. Americans will punish the Republican Party for the GW Bush administration...but, we already knew that, right?
My family will continue to support Dr. Paul in any Party he chooses, but we hope a better strategy surfaces from the Ron Paul 2008 National Campaign Headquarters. The cable TV networks have blacklisted Dr. Paul. That has virtually eliminated votes from the retirees, currently the largest reliable voting block.
Current levels of military spending will collapse our economy in short order: www.islandwebdiva.net/WWME.htm
My wife and I maxed-out our contributions to the Paul campaign. We would love to see him get elected but this is more about educating the people. If we were able to influence two or three others over the past year, nudging them towards an understanding of liberty, money and property, then the investment was well worth it.
Lets cut to the chase... its the Main Stream News Networks, That are Editing or Scripting this Campaign.
They are the Ones to Blame... NOT Ron Paul, or its Grass Roots, MASS MEDIA TV/Cable... Sorry, THEY DON'T WANT CHANGE, and THEY DON'T Want you to HEAR THE TRUTH.
Wake up!!!, Just goto youtube, and look at the vids of Ron paul in the debates...The question they ask him.. please Ron Paul for the amount of air time he did get, got shafted. (big time) NOW, Whom is Telling you to VOTE For What?, They Media is By Keeping the Truth from you.
Its just a nother method of CONTROL.
Media Control
Government Control
National ID Card Control
Freedom of Speech Control H.R. 1955 / S.1959
Please Stop this, if "We the People" Don't do it now,
There will be blood, in the near future.
The real message is the one that will educate the populace and bring them into the process. Thinking about this makes me ask myself a few questions.
1. How important if the freedom of the internet as an educational tool to counter the mass media and wouldn't this segment be a fertile ground for activism? Here we have a focal point, numbers, and the medium.
2. How much would it cost to send a well written mass mailing to each American household?
3. Where is the message to bring middle-class people into the local, state, and federal political process?
I'm not expecting answers to these but organizing any of the above objectives could be a way to keep the needed funds rolling in.
I'm glad you don't expect answers, those are tough but important questions. The Internet is critical. Thanks to Walt we have Nolan Chart, look at all the sites available, my web community (hearmythunder.org) is getting ready to launch a radio talk show (Thunder Radio's March of Liberty) and it will be live and interactive with listeners able to call in. It is all on the Internet and we couldn't do it without this medium.
The cost of a mass mailing to every household? Wow, millions. It costs about .28 to .65 cents per piece depending on printing and packaging...how many households? Many would toss it, a few might read it. Hmmm...
The message isn't out there yet. We need an organization. In my new article, Ron Paul Supporters Do We Stay or Do We Go? I make my pitch for forming a Political Action Committee. (http://www.nolanchart.com/article2537.html)
If you get answers please keep us informed. The March of Liberty will continue!! Thanks for letting your thunder be heard!
Posted By: Karen in Erin
Date: 2008-02-07 09:50:10
I've met some Democrats and convinced them that Ron Paul has some great ideas but many said "no way in hell" they would vote for a Republican. If Ron only averaged 6% of the vote, it is unlikely that was all made up of diehard Republicans, as so many people like myself changed party to vote for him. I do not think the Revolution should be in the Republican party as it is not "not in step with the party" and therefore is not destined to implode like the GOP. A lot of people think they are Democrats, but really don't want big government and the welfare state.
Huckabee should not be too sure about getting the VP position from McCain. I'm guessing it will be Lieberman. He is always there with McCain on the campaign trail. Unless there is a law about running as vice president for both parties within 10 years.
Karen, I agree we should not be in the GOP as an organization. See my recent article "Ron Paul Supporters Do We Stay or Do We Go" where I am trying to seed the debate for starting a PAC instead of worrying about any party affiliation. That way we can accomplish our goals while members of the PAC are free to affiliate with any party or no party as they choose. Thanks for your comments!
Posted By: patrick henry
Date: 2008-02-07 16:52:58
If Dr. Paul looses than we loose FREEDOM, Good job statist bettin on the house again. If I buy you a one way ticket to Riwanda will you board the plane?
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