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Ron Paul with Don Black Could Fascism come in the form of Freedom and the Constitution? This picture is only intended for those who could handle it!by Christopher Espinal
(Conservative)
Monday, January 21, 2008
Recently, Ron Paul issued this impressive statement about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s movement of freedom and civil liberties. Here is an except:
The fight for freedom--the preservation of our civil rights--is the fight of our lives. Sadly, after Dr. King's passing we are faced with a violation of our civil rights in the same vein as Jim Crow: The Patriot Act. I have stood against this and all unconstitutional violations of American's civil rights, and will continue Dr. King's charge as President.
Now, here is the striking part about this. What if your man Congressman Ron Paul, leader of a so-called movement of liberty and freedom, took a picture smiling with a white supremacist, who dedicates his life to "preserving the western white race" and protecting his white brethren from the invasion of today's Moors: those in Harlem and those south of the US border? What if the Texas Congressman claimed to have never knew this person? Check the 28 second mark on this Youtube video to see Paul's contradictory statement where he says "he never knew the guy or his name". What if that person's name is Don Black, founder of Stormfront.org. What if Ron Paul and his campaign manager Kent Snyder took a picture next to Don Black? Would you believe me? Well here it is!
Did you see it yet? So what do you think? Yep, he was involved with that movement.
So answer this question: Can fascism come to this country in the form of the Constitution and Freedom?
Interesting Rebuttals:
You know, I took a picture with Ron Paul, I guarantee he doesn't know my name.
For a person who's past political movement has been tied so strongly with these white supremacist organizations, I don't think that is a good enough explanation. I believe the Reason Magazine explanation more than this one.
Don Black could just as easily taken his picture with Obama because nobody knows who Don Black is. This same thing happened to Jimmy Carter when he was first running and the Grand Dragon of the KKK took a picture with him.
This is very true. However, it was a part of Jimmy Carter's campaign to run as a segregationist in the South. Since I know the church that Obama attends, and I live relatively close to it, I will do research and post it on Nolan Chart.
So Mr. Espinal, whose payroll are you on? Inquiring minds would like to know.
I am on the payroll of the New World Order. I also get checks from Paul Wolfowitz's New American Century think tank. Yesterday, surprisingly I received a check from the Mossad to post on the skeptical side of Ron Paul.
I see your point, however, these white supremacy people may be drawn to Dr. Paul's message for the same reason we all are; freedom and less government!
I totally agree with this statement. It seems as if Ron Paul really is the most uniting candidate of both parties. If your message can include everyday activists to even the most fringe then something amazing really is happening! Good Luck.
It only makes sense that white supremacists would support Dr. Paul. He will uphold their constitutional right to express their beliefs, no matter how unpopular or downright abhorrent they may be. He will do that for all of us.
I agree with this statement as well. Ron Paul will expand civil liberties for everyone if he wins the presidency.
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What if you had real proof in your article? What if you used proper logic instead of insidious insinuations? What if you abandoned the McCarthy-style tactic of "guilt by association"?
Your line of thinking is ridiculous. I despise what the KKK and Stormfront stand for - but I'm not going to stop them from expressing their political opinions.
If they happen agree with Ron Paul on the Iraq War, the coming military draft for men and women, the federal reserve fiat system, the PATRIOT Act, medical marijuana, U.S. imperialism, War on Iran, domestic spying, our out-of-control deficit, freedom of speech, unregulated internet, the collapse of the U.S. dollar and the War on Drugs, then keep sending the money, boys!
Try something better than a lame link to a hashed-up article of old news and political spin.
I could go off on you. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF MEIN FUROR RON PAUL!!!!!
oh, sorry just preping for the Ron Paul religious who are going to be sending you hateful comments.
Ron Paul has no chance of getting elected. If he was, he would be getting attacked by both liberals and conservatives in the MSM. (he isn't even mentioned, and when he is it is minimal)
The worst Ron Paul would do is force every bill to be vetoed and overidden. He would possibly get the George H. W. Bush treatment on the "no new taxes" BS, but I think that Ron Paul would allow it to happen. Looks like a bunch of people who won't be getting thier Christmas Cards. Dr. Paul's record of not voting for bills with pork in them will cause a bipartizan anti-Paul movement that could go two ways:
1 We get the worst of Liberalism and the Worst of Conservatism
2. Or by some miracle the Dems become truly liberal again and we get prostitution, pot, and Filthy Speach on TV legalized. We get economic freedom back.
If Centrist George W. Bush's presidentcy tells us anything it is that:
1. Republicans increasingly tried to get re elected by doing what the Dems did
2. When ever a libertarian bill was endorced by the president (Amnesty, Drillin in ANWAR, and the Dubai Ports Deal) they all failed.
3. When ever anti-freedom appeasment bills came up, Bush either signed them for appeasment, or endorced them.
(Patriot Act, Steel Tarrifs, No Child Left Behind)
4. The Opposition party lied about a lot of things that they supported as if it was a Bipartisan effort.
(Post 9/11 measures, the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan)
Or they claimed they didn't write or support.
(NCLB, PAtriot Act, imminent domain, Amnesty)
Or just lie about
(tax cuts for the "rich", War on terror not being a success, or GITMO Lies)
SO how do you think they will treat a Libertarian?
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 14:56:49
ABE....Look at the damn picture and look at the video of his statement, claiming he never knew the guy. Don't get angry, get glad that I'm protecting you from a racist nut!
It is very obvious that you do not even understand what Ron Paul stands for. Do you think being a strict constitutionalist means blocking someones rights to say something that you dont agree or believe in? It does not . This is also not what MLK stood for. You seem to think that Dr. King was only interested in helping Black people. This is not true. He believed in the constitution also. This means people have rights given to them at birth, one of them is free speech. You dont seem to be able to grasp that concept. You dont have to endorse what someone says, to believe they have the right to say it. Perhaps you should do a little more research. I also believe a white supremacist or a black panther should be able to freely say what they think and the government should not be allowed to intervene and tell us what we can say or think or do in our own homes. It does not mean I dont find someone else to have beliefs I feel are repulsive, but if we want true freedom, we cant be hipocrits. We all deserve freedom. Even those we dont agree with.
Oh no! He's racist! Back to the issues. You know, I took a picture with Ron Paul, I guarantee he doesn't know my name. Protection from a racist? Please, there are much worse things to be than a racist, this is getting awfully stale. But no, let's forget the picture where Ron is standing with a couple black guys, talking and laughing with a an old black woman, and instead stick with the same old gang of warmongering psychopaths, because Ron had a newsletter and a picture. I take pity on you and those like you "exposing" this and taking yourselves seriously. I couldn't stand myself if I were that pathetic. You have more courage than most for just being you.
There is a picture in my dresser of me with my arm around weird al yankovich, and we're both smiling. do me a favor and contact weird al and ask him if he knows a "seth from new orleans". I guarantee you, he doesn't. and I guarantee you Ron Paul isn't a racist, and has no idea who Don Black was. People get pictures with politicians all the time. Hell, my parents have a picture of my sister with her arm around George W Bush himself from when he was governor of Texas. I'll let you know right now, W has no clue who she is. And furthermore, there are many, many pictures of me with my own brother. My brother is a huge bigot, and I am not. You see where I'm going here? Probably not, since you took the time to write this entire article thinking you were unearthing something huge and new when you're just rehashing a smear that has been debunked so many times it's laughable.
This picture proves only that you're easily fooled.
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 15:09:00
Fritz, you're so right. I bet if this picture were used with any other presidential candidate you would never take up such defense. However, there are more scary things than being racist like, as some Paul supporters believe: having the Jewish Mossad attack the twin towers! Ouch!
Posted By: John from Warren, MI
Date: 2008-01-21 15:13:36
Oh, wow, you've really convinced me now.
I'm ready to throw out the constitution, spy on my neighbors, and send their sons to die. Can I have a job in government so that I'll still get paid while private sector people are losing their jobs and houses? Please?
Uuugggghhhh, what the hell is wrong with you Christopher Espinal?? Taking a picture with someone does NOT mean that you knew their name, their entire background, and agreed with them!! OMG, where do you get this stuff.. Oh, that's right, you make it up, or maybe you read it on Fox News.
Folks, here are some words from Mr. Espinal himself:
"By the way, I try not to label myself as anything but given the ideas that I most agree with, yeah....I'm sort of a neocon. I'm as proud to be an interventionist welfare-giving pork-barrel-spending neocon as I am proud to be Dominican. Cheers!"
So, tell me, Chris, are you even an American?
Also... "This picture proves only that you're easily fooled." This.
Nice dodge! Make some stuff up about something I didn't say and put me in the same boat. And this after just making up something totally unrelated with completely no basis whatsoever in the "other candidate" comment. Gonna' have to try harder, chief. I was actually referring to the guys who expanded the police into a military force. The people who wrote the patriot act, and passed it. And those who passed the homegrown terrorist acts, and so on. As well as the people who push towards taking my money, to redistribute the wealth, usually on the left. Or the corporatists, who take my money to give to million/billion-aires, people whom you seem to prefer. PS- I've been anti-race card my whole life. Ever since I first heard Al Sharpton then Jesse Jackson, I have to completely dismiss it on the grounds it is only used as a control tool to garner support and money from other mindless, nit-picking vegetables.
Sorry, but the pictures don't prove squat. Don Black could just as easily taken his picture with Obama because nobody knows who Don Black is. This same thing happened to Jimmy Carter when he was first running and the Grand Dragon of the KKK took a picture with him. The only guy in the race who has proven ties to racist extremism is Obama. He is a long time member of an anti Semitic and racist church, who's 'reverend' is a proven despicable racist and also happens to be Obama's mentor. But no one has the guts to talk about it.
While on the subject of bigoted raciest let us consider current McCain, Huckabee and Romney comments about Islam folks at the last Presidential debate. In addition, the embarrassingly anti-white raciest church in Chicago Obama continues to support for the last 20 years. If we intend to get Ron Paul carved up on a platter then be consistent on every candidate and stick a fork in everyone, including Clinton for going to the Bronx today showing support for the black community. Please give me a break; she could care less about the black community thus making her a racist.
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 15:28:59
If you have seen all of the things that MLK has said, he is far from the Libertarian that you would like to label him!
And yes, I am a proud to be those things that you mention. To be more serious, no I don't go around screaming that I'm a neocon. But yes I do believe in government spending on certain circumstances and libertarianiasm on other circumstances.
If you read my bio you would see that I am more centrist in my ideas but in general I change very frequently....all depending on how our nation is doing thus far and what I believe to be the best policies. So yes, Have a nice day!
I do not follow Ron Paul blindly as some do. I do not agree with him on a few issues but I do know that the man is not a racist. I can show you pictures of Sadam Hussein meeting with Donald Rumsfeld, does that make Rumsfeld a friend of Hussein? When Dr. Paul has campaign stops, especially early on in the campaign, he shook hands and took a picture with EVERY individual there. Indeed, in everything I have read and every speech of Dr. Paul's I have seen, I am confident that he is no racist, and certainly is not friends with Mr. Black.
Nice Chris...you don't deny that you said what you said and then you contradict yourself. You called yourself a neocon in the quote, then deny it in response. Classic flip-flop manuever. Since your so proud to be Dominican, why don't you stay there and stay out of OUR politics? It's called: Minding your own business. Exactly the policy we need regarding ourselves and the rest of the world. Take your Neocon Communism and shove it!
to be fair, his parents are Dominican, he was born in Brooklyn, so he's an American... technically. I'm curious as to why he calls himself Domincan over American though...
Diving more into Dominican politics, I wonder why Chris isn't a RP supporters, they have a very small government and just started having elections in 1996. You'd think these things would keep him far away from Neocon leanings. But oh well....some people just have to learn on their own.
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 15:40:08
I am a Dominican American but I was referring to my pride in my Culture. It really is a beautiful culture. However, I was born in NY and raised there, so therefore I have every right to comment on American politics! Sounds like a little bigotry and disgust for other cultures coming out of you! I guess I need to be White or All American, as you probably call yourself to comment on American politics.
I don't contradict myself, in matter of fact I have stated that my ideas are circumstantial. Some times policies need to be more free market and other times more big government. Today, I am lenient to moderate policies like those of the neocons so that's why I say I am neoconish. In the future, when our deficit creeps up on our national security, then i may be more libertarian.
Sorry to anger all of you with evidence of Paul's possible ties! Have fun squirming in your PC's as you right your hateful and angry responses.
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"to be fair, his parents are Dominican, he was born in Brooklyn, so he's an American... technically. I'm curious as to why he calls himself Domincan over American though... "
This is exactly why RON PAUL wants to end birthright citizenship!
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 15:45:28
Eric, You are absolutely right. In the future it may be too late. There certainly is a huge possibility that I am wrong! You even claim that my evidence proves possible links then you say I'm wrong. I smell contradictions! Thanks for the comments tho!
Saying that Paul maybe a racist due to letters written in a journal he lent his name to while practicing OBG, maybe like saying this website maybe affiliated with the KKK since they write articles about them or use the same internet, you overgeneralize the facts by pointing to something that maybe similar to saying anyone who uses the internet maybe a racist due to the fact that other racists use the same internet provider, or that somebody that uses a messege board maybe racist so the owners of such are as well, that maybe some of the worst kinds of logic I can imagine in terms of justification for negation of someones POV.
This similar kind of "lumping" maybe what all despots and crackpots do to condemn those opposed to their insane policies, take for example Charles Manson or Jim Jones, both used similar techniques to brainwash people into believing in outragous causes simply on the basis of "lumping". If you will believe that Paul maybe a racist on the flimsist of notions then you will believe ______ or just about anything that we the "media" tell you. People whom are persuaded to follow somebody else on the basis of "lumping" have been hijacked from their own path and a constitutional individual self-discovery will have been thwarted. These are old brainwashing techniques actually being promoted and used by the MSM to foster discontinuity in the Paul movement, or the revolution in ideas he offers. If they can fool us on this simple matter they can do so on just about anything.
"....by the way....pictures are considered real proof"
"Proof?" Really? Of what? Is the congressman wearing a swastika lapel pin? Is he posing in front of a Nazi flag? Is he receiving an award of some nefarious kind?
Proof? The only thing these pictures provide "proof of" is that Ron Paul is a most accessible candidate, and he allows people to take their picture with him. Take a look at all the pictures of him with "supporters" at FLICKR, and get real.
Yeah, well what about that $500.00 contribution, huh??
Congressman Paul has been the recipient of massive, spontaneous, fundraisers from individuals across America, approximately 25,000,000.00 in the 3Q 2007 alone.
An individual named Don Black was one of those who sent money. He sent this in his own name, not in the name of any organization. Hmm... Perhaps the campaign should have folks complete "ideology applications" before money is accepted?
But wait! Once he discovered WHO this guy was - he refused to return the money!!!!!! Oh my God! He MUST support their ideas - more "proof!"
Paul made it clear that the money would certainly go to a better cause in his hands than it would in the hands of a man that thinks like Black is alleged to. Gee. That makes sense...
Okay fine, but what about those "terrible" newsletters!!?? Please get over your hysterical, politically-correct self! The articles in question were written pre-PC, back when writers said what they thought without worrying who's feelings got hurt, back when we thought Andrew Dice Clay types were funny. Thank GOD we're not like that anymore!
In closing, all I can say is that Ron Paul sure has some strange heroes for someone accused of speaking in "code" to the whole white supremacist movement - don't you think?
Don Black must be falling all over himself knowing that he's sent money to someone who admires both MLK and Rosa Parks, among other courageous individuals. I'll bet he's taking a lot more flack for sending the money than Rep. Paul is for keeping it! At least the poor fellow can console himself with the fact that fellow racists like Kirchick et al have brought a lot more attention to Stormfront than they ever could have dreamed of!
With Ron Paul there is nothing to fear but peace, liberty, and prosperity.
By attempting to paint Paul with the broad brush of "aiding and abetting racists", you also managed to get the US military with the same brush. good job. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?pid=79
I hope that the racists that are protecting you don't read about how anyone doing business with stormfront must be a racist, because some of them are <shudder>Jews and blacks.
I used to know a guy who had numerous photographs of famous people standing with him. He was sort of a creep. I realize that just about anyone has the ambition to do so can have a photo made with any famous person, with patience. Besides, if the photo were taken with Rev Al Sharpton at a Miss Black America contest, would it be seen differently? Yes it would.
Oh yeah, I saw a black guy in the picture (background). He is wearing a Florida Gators Jersey. I guess the function was not an all-white affair.
Have you seen Zeitgeistmovie.com yet? A must see. Check it out. A real shocker.
Wake up, people! The United States of America ceased to exist in 1933 when Roosevelt declared bankruptcy and incorporated the US.
All those liberties and freedoms that you think are guaranteed in the Constitution? Technically a defunct document now that we've been enslaved by a corporate entity through birth certificates, which create a straw man with a name similar to yours and sold on the free market as bond for debts incurred by the incorporated US.
We have been made unwitting and unwilling SLAVES by bankers and the Federal Reserve.
Don't believe what Ron Paul people say - go do your own research! The farce is that it was all over and done years ago.
The question now is - what are YOU going to do about it? Are you going to take being a slave? Dumbed down by the public school system (NOT education), poisoned by the very institution that is supposed to protect you - the FDA? Regulated in every facet of your life by rules, regulations, endless mindgames and tricks that have no place in a free society?
Marx, Lenin, Mao, Hitler - they could only DREAMED of having such a subjugated and controlled population.
When martial law is declared, and President, erm I mean Dictator, Bush starts relocating you to WORK CAMPS, it will be too late. (See Executive Order 11000 on whitehouse.gov if you don't believe me.)
A partial list of Executive Orders that you OWE to yourself to check out are listed with brief explanations in the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c
Read them yourself. EDUCATE yourself.
People - you should be scared shitless of what's coming down the pipe and fast.
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 16:39:09
"This is exactly why RON PAUL wants to end birthright citizenship!"
I thought it was because that's the proper interpretation of the Constitution..."subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Ever read the Constitution?
My parents came here legally. They didn't float over the shark infested waters on a truck wheel. They bought a plane ticket and came to NYC.
I hope that the racists that are protecting you don't read about how anyone doing business with stormfront must be a racist, because some of them are Jews and blacks.
John...what does this even mean? Are you saying that because some members of the military are racist, then even the blacks and jews serving in the military must be racist too, all by the association of military and racist soldiers? That doesn't even make sense.
Ah, The statist. You are the prime example of what I fear, Ineptitude Incarnate. You seem to lack any faith in your fellow man. Your trust in the benevolence of power is foolish and helps to doom us all.
When your rights are taken, remember how you defended your neighbor's.
You mock out of ignorance. Sheep and cattle know no fear of doom either.
Fools and their rights are soon parted. The ignorant will help undermine the valiant.
Why is it that there is no fuss over people's associations with black racists? It is just insane that we talk about a white nut just standing next to Dr. Paul ,while the Democratic Party embraces Jackson and Sharpton, who are every bit as racist as David Duke or Don Black! (that's funny a white racist named Black) I'm not sure if Black or Duke have gotten people killed with their racism, but I know old "Reverend Al" has! Ponderous man f***k'n ponderous. Jeff W , Warwick , Peoples Republic of Rhode Island
I love how idiots like the 'statist' will spend so much of their free time arguing about Ron and why they don't like him, and saying Paul will never get elected. If you believe that, why do you spend so much time writing about him? It's reasonable to understand why someone who LIKES something would spend a lot of time talking about it. However, for someone to spend all day talking about something they don't like and think is irrelevant is just ...kooky, creepy and weird.
"When your rights are taken, remember how you defended your neighbor's."
Shi'ite I am more libertarian than Ron Paul, I think that illegal immigrants have rights too. I am for an open border. I am for a free Iraq, and unlike Ron Paul, I've actually been there in good times and bad.
Ron Paul is not libertarian enough. He is not pro-freedom enough. He does not care about other people's freedom arround the world. He is an economic conspiracy theorist that thinks the US economy will be bankrupt. He is the only guy that could drown in his own ideas. Nice guy, but he couldn't get elected to the senate. Ron Paul would bring up a bi-partisan effort to get both the best and the worst of Statism passed. The Dems would propose so much anti-economic freedom legislation, and the republicans would propose so much Evangelical anti-personal freedom initiatives through, that they would get vetoed and later overidden. This is the way that politics is.
Articles that are so obviously attempting to solicit controversy are worthless and pitiful. I try to peruse material from all the site columnists, but am tempted to file Espinal and statist under SKIP OVER -NOT WORTH MY TIME.
Wow, I must have hit a nerve for statist to call me a kook. It takes 2 minutes on the internet to look up any of the FACTS that I listed in my post.
You have a choice, look into it - or accept the drivel the media feeds you. Open your mind up to the possibility that you don't have to accept everything you see and hear as truth without checking it out for yourself.
Or, you can go back to watching American Idol or Dance War or something.
Makes me think of Hiss in Disney's animated version of Robin Hood. "gooooo tooo sllleeeeep...."
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 17:35:09
Of course you would want to skip over anything that is anti-ronpaul even if people have a right to be skeptical of his current and past actions. You are too emotional to even think of yourself as rational. I could care less if overly emotional people like you skip over my column! Have a wonderful MLK Day!
"Ron Paul would bring up a bi-partisan effort to get both the best and the worst of Statism passed. The Dems would propose so much anti-economic freedom legislation, and the republicans would propose so much Evangelical anti-personal freedom initiatives through, that they would get vetoed and later overidden. This is the way that politics is."
That doesn't make sense, how would both sides be able to override Paul's vetoes if neither side holds 66% of the seats?? What was your grade score in civics class? Did you even have civics class?
"He is an economic conspiracy theorist that thinks the US economy will be bankrupt."
If we're not broke, why do we have to borrow money from China, and the SSecurity fund; and why does a huge portion of our income taxes go to simply pay INTEREST on our loans to these and other entities? Don't you see? The Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air, thereby making the dollars in your pocket worth LESS. Ron Paul is the only one telling you the truth.
Eventually, when the time comes, they will say they are completely out of money and there are plenty of theories out there as to what will happen next. It doesn't matter which one comes true, they all SUCK.
That was one scenario. I was basing this off of what happened to centrist Bush.
A 2/3 majority veto overide could pass so many unpopular bills, that Ron Paul's approval rating would tank almost overnight.
Congrese's approval rating would tank as well, but hey he would definately not get re elected. You need to be a Centrist to be President. You are forced to work with both parties.
The problem with Paul is that both Dems and Republicans hate parts of his message. They would aim for environmentalist, church goers, and special interest groups to make sure that no body votes for him. Ron Paul is doomed anyway, but if you people want to think that winning is losing and losing is winning, then prepare to hear Ron Paul's concession speach.
Since you cannot argue my point and therefor have ignored it, I'll post it again so that others reading the comments here will be able to see just how pathetic you are.
I love how idiots like the 'statist' will spend so much of their free time arguing about Ron and why they don't like him, and saying Paul will never get elected. If you believe that, why do you spend so much time writing about him? It's reasonable to understand why someone who LIKES something would spend a lot of time talking about it. However, for someone to spend all day talking about something they don't like and think is irrelevant is just ...kooky, creepy and weird.
Since you can argue your point and therefore I have ignored it, you'll post it again so that others reading the comments here will be able to see just how pathetic you are.
Yep I hate Ron Paul's anti-Mexican agenda and his anti foriegn military bases agenda. Sorry, but if I don't speak for reasonable libertarianism, then who will? In the perfect world, we wouldn't need the 2nd ammendment. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world.
I got a picture of GWB holding hands with a Saudi Shiek, Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussien, and George H W Bush sitting at a table with Bin Ladens.
"....by the way....pictures are considered real proof"
"Proof?" Really? Of what? Is the congressman wearing a swastika lapel pin? Is he posing in front of a Nazi flag? Is he receiving an award of some nefarious kind?
Proof? The only thing these pictures provide "proof of" is that Ron Paul is a most accessible candidate, and he allows people to take their picture with him. Take a look at all the pictures of him with "supporters" at FLICKR, and get real.
Yeah, well what about that $500.00 contribution, huh??
Congressman Paul has been the recipient of massive, spontaneous, fundraisers from individuals across America, approximately 25,000,000.00 in the 3Q 2007 alone.
An individual named Don Black was one of those who sent money. He sent this in his own name, not in the name of any organization. Hmm... Perhaps the campaign should have folks complete "ideology applications" before money is accepted?
But wait! Once he discovered WHO this guy was - he refused to return the money!!!!!! Oh my God! He MUST support their ideas - more "proof!"
Paul made it clear that the money would certainly go to a better cause in his hands than it would in the hands of a man that thinks like Black is alleged to. Gee. That makes sense...
Okay fine, but what about those "terrible" newsletters!!?? Please get over your hysterical, politically-correct self! The articles in question were written pre-PC, back when writers said what they thought without worrying who's feelings got hurt, back when we thought Andrew Dice Clay types were funny. Thank GOD we're not like that anymore!
In closing, all I can say is that Ron Paul sure has some strange heroes for someone accused of speaking in "code" to the whole white supremacist movement - don't you think?
Don Black must be falling all over himself knowing that he's sent money to someone who admires both MLK and Rosa Parks, among other courageous individuals. I'll bet he's taking a lot more flack for sending the money than Rep. Paul is for keeping it! At least the poor fellow can console himself with the fact that fellow racists like Kirchick et al have brought a lot more attention to Stormfront than they ever could have dreamed of!
With Ron Paul there is nothing to fear but peace, liberty, and prosperity.
Additional afterthought... Your sub-title, "Could Fascism come in the form of Freedom and the Constitution?"
Should we do away with freedom and the Constitution in order to avoid facism?? Perhaps if we had more freedom and a stricter interpretation of the Constitution we wouldn't have the corporate facism (ie: large corporations in bed with big government) that's been destroying America for over 50 years.
OH by the way, Paul is not 'involved' with this group and to say so is libelous. You are duly reported and if you do not change that sentence you may expect some repercussions.
The former president of an extremist group that organized many of the country's disruptive pro illegal immigration marches and advocates the return of the American Southwest to Mexico will co-chair Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
Best known for his radical pro Chicano work during 30 years as president of the National Council of La Raza, Raul Yzaguirre is being promoted by the Clinton campaign as a prominent Hispanic activist who will lead the New York senator's outreach to Hispanic voters.
The reality is that Yzaguirre alienates many American citizens of Hispanic descent (in other words, those qualified to vote) with his so-called La Raza rhetoric, which has been repeatedly labeled racist.
The National Council of La Raza describes itself as the largest Latino civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States, but it caters to the radical Chicano movement that says California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas belong to Aztlan.
The takeover plan is referred to as the "reconquista" of the Western U.S. and it features ethnic cleansing of Americans, Europeans, Africans and Asians once the area is taken back and converted to Aztlan.
While this may all sound a bit crazy, this organization is quite powerful (thanks to Hillary's new campaign co-chair) and annually receives millions of dollars in federal grants. Its leaders also managed to get included in congressional hearings regarding immigration. Last year alone, the National Council of La Raza received $15.2 million in federal grants and one senator gave the group an extra $4 million in earmarked American taxpayer dollars.
The organization uses the money to support projects like a Southern California elementary school with a curriculum that specializes in bashing America and promoting the Chicano movement. The school's founder and principal, a Calexico-educated activist named Marcos Aguilar, opposes racial integration and says Mexicans in the U.S. don't want to go to white schools or drink from white water fountains.
Hillary also is known for having a foul mouth and hurling anti-semitic language at Jews.
Consider Obama’s membership in a Chicago South Side Trinity United Church of Christ headed by a racist and anti-semitic pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
Obama has gone out of his way to point to this relationship as evidence of his being a professing Christian and, simultaneously, as Pipes has pointed out a murtadd or apostate under Islam.
Now, comes this Ron Kessler Washington Insider NewsMax.com piece revealing the bizarre, racial and anti-semitic views of Pastor Wright, including the allegation that we, ‘as a white nation brought 9/11 down on ourselves because of our violent acts’.
Is the smoke coming out of your ears, yet?
Look at what Kessler cites:
In sermons and interviews, Dr. Wright has equated Zionism with racism and Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday after 9/11, Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
In one of his sermons, Wright said, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
As for Israel, “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,” Wright has said. “Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”
Either Barrack Obama disavows his membership in Pastor Wright’s church with its bizarre ‘racist and anti-semitic views’ or he’s toast even among liberal Democratic voters, if they haven’t been taken in by his platitudinous mantra of ‘hope and change’.
Should Obama emerge as a Democratic front runner in these early primaries, this scurrilous relationship will likely do him in, even if he feigns to disavow Pastor Wright’s racist and anti-semitic views. Barack Obama still belongs to Pastor Wright’s Trinity United Church in Chicago.
Barack Obama’s Racist Church
If Sen. Obama rejects the Rev. Wright’s warped view of this country, why does he continue to attend his church?
Monday, January 7, 2008 10:16 AM
By: Ronald Kessler, Washington Insider, NewsMax.com,
Imagine if Mitt Romney’s church proclaimed on its website that it is “unashamedly white.”
The media would pounce, and Romney’s presidential candidacy would be over. Yet that is exactly what Barack Obama’s church says on its web site — except in reverse.
“We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian,” says the Trinity United Church of Christ’s website in Chicago. “We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”
That’s just the beginning. The church has a “non-negotiable commitment to Africa,” according to its website, and its pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. subscribes to what is called the Black Value System.
While the Black Value System includes such items as commitment to God, education, and self-discipline, it refers to “our racist competitive society” and includes the disavowal of the pursuit of “middle-classness” and a pledge of allegiance to “all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.” It defines “middle-classness” as a way for American society to “snare” blacks rather than “killing them off directly” or “placing them in concentration camps,” just as the country structures “an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.”
In sermons and interviews, Dr. Wright has equated Zionism with racism and Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday after 9/11, Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
In one of his sermons, Wright said, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
As for Israel, “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,” Wright has said. “Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”
Obama says he found religion and Jesus Christ through Wright, whom he met in the mid-1980s. He has been attending Wright’s church regularly since 1988.
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Obama Silent on Farrakhan Support
Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:37 AM
By: Ronald Kessler
Barack’s Obama’s silence on his longtime minister and mentor’s support of Louis Farrakhan speaks volumes.
Obama’s minister, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., was quoted in the November/December issue of his church’s magazine, Trumpet, heaping praise on Farrakhan.
“When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” Wright said in the article. “His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest.”
Wright’s comments ran in a video, which was played when Trumpet bestowed the "Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer award" on Farrakhan.
But in a statement issued this week, supposedly to address the issue, Obama ignored the point that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Farrakhan and that Wright’s church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader.
Instead, Obama adroitly said, “I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree.”
In his comment, Obama not only side-stepped the main point of the controversy, he disingenuously claimed he thought the magazine bestowed the award on Farrakhan for his efforts to rehabilitate ex-prisoners and that the decision was the magazine’s and had nothing to do with Wright and his church. Not only is Trumpet owned and produced by Wright’s church out of the church’s offices, Wright’s daughters serve as publisher and executive editor of the magazine.
Neither Wright’s encomiums about Farrakhan nor the Trumpet article mentions ex-prisoners. Instead, they refer to Farrakhan as an “icon” who “truly epitomize[s] greatness.”
Wright’s comments and the award to Farrakhan were first reported in a Jan. 14 Newsmax article, “Obama Minister Honored Farrakhan.” The following day, Richard Cohen of the Washington Post took Obama to task over his connection to Wright.
Hailing his “integrity and honesty,” Wright lauded Farrakhan in the Trumpet article as one of the giants of the African-American religious experience in the 20th and 21st century.
“His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change, and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose,” Wright said.
Is it fair to connect Obama with his minister’s comments and actions? Absolutely.
If your minister, priest, or rabbi spoke glowingly of Farrakhan and gave him an award, would you continue to attend that house of worship or have anything to do with its leader?
Not only is Wright Obama’s minister, Wright is Obama's self-described friend and sounding board. Obama has said he found religion through Wright in the 1980s and consulted him before deciding to run for president. The title of Obama’s best-seller “The Audacity of Hope” comes from one of Wright’s sermons. Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004.
Obama prayed privately with Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.
Wright has long been a supporter of Farrakhan, whom he helped organize the Million Man March in Washington in 1995. Farrakhan has repeatedly targeted Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals with hate-filled statements.
He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media and some black organizations.
As noted in the Jan. 14 Newsmax article, in sermons and interviews, Dr. Wright has equated Zionism with racism and has compared Israel with South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. On the Sunday following 9/11, Wright characterized the terrorist attacks as a consequence of violent American policies.
Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in Trumpet. “White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
In one of his sermons, Wright said to thumping applause, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run! . . . We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
As for Israel, “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now,” Wright has said. “Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”
Instead of remaining silent, Obama should be denouncing Wright for supporting and honoring Farrakhan. Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, suggested as much when he told the Jewish Week that Obama should confront Wright, whom he described as someone who “embraces, awards, and celebrates a black racist.” If Obama is unable to change Wright’s stand, he should leave the church, Foxman said.
Obama’s failure to do so and his close relationship with Wright for more than two decades suggest that he not only condones much of what Wright says, he agrees with it.
That "agenda" is a cornerstone of libertarianism and if you are "pro" having military bases in one hundred and thirty countries around the world, you are not only out of step with the rest of the world, but the basic tenants of libertarianism and small government fiscal conservatism.
Having secure borders and a reasonable immigration policy is not "anti Mexican" or anti anything. It's what every country in the world practices, even the liberal ones. So, you've shown that you are not a libertarian in any way, and (being that you ignore the massive burden of U.S. foreign policy that is totally unique and has totally failed) you have no realistic way to approach less government. So you're not even a true fiscal conservative. The only thing you've shown yourself to be is a guy who:
A)Wants to keep getting a government check from the Military, instead of a job.
B)Has an extremely liberal pie-in-the-sky position of "open borders" that the majority of Democrats don't even support, and any reasonable questioning of this "policy" is enough to make you hyperventilate and scream "racist" like a little girl.
C)Has an incredibly time consuming obsession with something that you claim to not like and is supposedly irrelevant.
BTW Chris, Ron Paul doesn't hate Mexico or our Mexican brothers - what he takes a strong position on is a return to Constitutionally-limited government right here in the US. Rather than get mad at people fleeing poverty and looking for opportunity, we should be angry with a Federal government that has created yet another false division, ie: taxpayer funding for social services for people who have violated current law.
They play one group against the other while they line their own pockets, destroying the freedom that all people desire, all the while hoping no one notices.
As Congressman Paul has stated, if the economy was healthier, no one would mind how many immigrants came here. That's how it used to be! When people arrived from other countries, years ago, there was no such thing as free this and that, and guess what!? Communities pitched in, churches helped newcomers. Now, thanks to government "involvement" there all this anger and hatred - big surprise.
I'd also venture a guess that the mess in Mexico probably has some connection to this governments involvement in that country as well. Might be worth looking into. What do you think?
I think any libertarian can agree that the income tax is wrong, and most likely the 16th amendment was illegally ratified. So, start there statist. If not for an income tax, how would any of these things you love, like foreign military occupation and consistent welfare to citizens of other countries, exist? Ridiculously high tariffs, ending almost all trade with the world and creating isolationism? Taking corporation taxes, and forcing them over seas? You're views border more on socialism, redistributing the wealth to suit someone's warring agenda. It's all been covered in Robin Hood, you've probably seen the cartoon. Things are bad and people like you wish to make them worse.
Posted By: Christopher Espinal
Date: 2008-01-21 20:19:02
Hello everyone. Thanks for the dozens of responses. I just want to say that this evidence doesn't prove that he's racist. Rather, it only leads me to more skepticism. In matter of fact, I'm beginning to agree with the recent analysis provided by Reason Magazine as to Paul's movement with L. Rockwell and M. Rothbard.
So maybe Paul didn't write most of those comments but his minions are probably responsible. Key word: probably. But I still believe that Paul was knowledgeable of what was going on. However, this will be my last post on his issue of racism.
Obviously, the Ron Paul supporters can't respond without their "blood pressure going exceedingly high." They get too angry to even trust their impulsive judgment. I have sensed more emotion than rationality of 90% of these responses.
Do I not have a right to be skeptical of Paul after all of his allegations of racism and his possible involvement with the white power movement as reasonably shown by Reason Magazine? Do you all expect me to believe that I should trust his word just because he is a person who speaks "truth to power?"
I will leave opposition at rest until Paul supporters begin to respond with constructive criticism as to why I am wrong as opposed to why I am dumb. Someone even went as far as to suggest that I am being paid to post these criticisms. Let's not even get started on the numerous times I was told my posts were bad despite the fact that numerous RP people write some of the worst pieces but gain popularity. A prime example is the most popular one on Nolan charts about Fox News's stock crumbling. Not only did it provide such false information and low grade stock analysis, but everyone seemed to love it!
I provide information, links, and a reason to be skeptical and I'm demonized. Some people have tried to boycott my column rather than debate. However, this is a result of their emotional ties. First, they call Fox or Faux news for being horrible for silencing Paul, but when they are in control, as in Nolan Chart, they want to silence the few voices critical of Ron Paul.
I guess this only proves that it doesn't matter who has control over the media and it will always result in disgusting bias and propaganda.
Once again, I am happy that you all have a candidate that excites you, but you need not be so attached. There are no absolutes. It's the same reason why I am a flip flopper as someone pointed out earlier. I learned something new and I change my position. Have fun and good luck to your campaign.
what makes you people think that I am for more socialism or an income tax?
An income tax was born out of socialism, and demanded by it. i would rather have a sales tax.
Ron Paul is the one who doesn't want mexicans comming over here, not me. I am for free trade. I want cities to start using African, Bengladeshian, Indian, and Nepaleese labor. People who work for less than Mexicans, and actually go back home 9 times out of 10. Dubai has built itself up on free trade. I want the US to expand and be even bigger.
The environmentalists may not like this view, but screw them.
I see your point, however, these white supremacy people may be drawn to Dr. Paul's message for the same reason we all are; freedom and less government!
I despise white supremacists, but they have the freedom to say what they want. Unfortunately, we need to preserve that right for everybody with no exceptions. If our government starts making exceptions, then they can continue to make more and more exceptions to our freedoms until we have none left. The Patriot Act is one example of the government trying to make exceptions. Making flag-burning illegal is another.
In a truly free society, good will win over evil. You just need to have a little faith in the message. What is the worst thing that could happen? Dr. Paul wins office, starts turning on minorities and issuing racist statements until he is swiftly removed from office? I don't see what people are so afraid of. Look what our current president and vice president have gotten away with so far. They truly are wolves in sheep's clothing. Ron Paul is awkward at best, but very honest and very principled. We don't need another soothsayer in office. We need an honest man who will return us to the rule of our constitution and our bill of rights. Ron Paul is our best choice, and I suggest we start looking at more constructive things to say about this man, such as his MESSAGE!
Remember this: NOBODY is perfect. We all have skeletons in our closet, no matter how moral we live our lives. Its time we stop using the politics of exploitation of weaknesses, and start talking about a way forward.
"An income tax was born out of socialism, and demanded by it. i would rather have a sales tax.
Ron Paul is the one who doesn't want mexicans comming over here, not me. I am for free trade. I want cities to start using African, Bengladeshian, Indian, and Nepaleese labor. People who work for less than Mexicans, and actually go back home 9 times out of 10. Dubai has built itself up on free trade. I want the US to expand and be even bigger."
Not very cool when people make things up you never said and use it against you anyway, is it? Did dubai bomb the living bejesus out of every country to expand said empire? Moreover, a national sales tax is the same as an income tax. The US built itself on free-trade as well, without a national sales tax or militaristic empire. Any kind of universal tax still allows the government the over-reaching tentacle's while taking from it's citizens. No dice. Ron Paul wants to fix the problems before creating new ones. Such as, ending the welfare, taxed to death, warfare state, then deal with the number 2 issues, like maybe immigration. It's not a free-market, you can't open it up as if it were, until you do that. Where do you live? Because, to sit and say more illegals should come in, I'd have to assume not any border state, or even Utah. Or you don't get out much.
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