Topic: Ron Paul
Ron Paul has sticking power, but how much? With Nevada and South Carolina done, we are starting to see the long term players, but how long does the Paul campaign need to play?by C.J. Anderson
(Libertarian)
Sunday, January 20, 2008
Paul won second in Nevada! excellent, and he will have a good showing in the future (even if he just wins Alaska he has succeeded in getting his message out). He has tons of cash, and another donation day on the way (freeatlast2008.com). What does all this mean? It means he has enough support and enough money to last until the convention in September, but is that good enough?No, it's not. He needs longer lasting power. The Libertarian boost seen in this election thanks to Paul needs to go on past November and on into the next presidency.
Fred Thompson died in South Carolina and McCain will likely kill Giuliani's hopes in Florida. That means it's a race between Romney and McCain with Paul and maybe Huckabee sticking it out till the end. We need to carry Paul farther.
The question is two-fold. First, how do we continue our self proclaimed "revolution" past November if we can even make it that far? Second, can we settle our support into the mainstream?
We could try a new party. Take Pat Buchanan's attempts with the Reform Party, and think of a Paulite Party. This idea of our own party is likely making some people water at the mouth, but i think there is little worse we could do to hurt our movement. The divisions over Paul in the Libertarian Party are already big enough to show Paul's base is to varied to agree on a single party platform. Then go back to Buchanan's run with the Reform Party and see what a dismal failure that was, we wouldn't be able to do much better. Besides, victory with a Paulite Party would be against our Ideals, those against party rule.
What we need to do is change the broader based Republican Party. Ron Paul is an old school republican and he does belong in the party, despite the criticism. We need to transition from the born again Christian led party, too a libertarian economic minded party. This has already been initiated, as we can see with CNN's entrance polls in Nevada, 38% citing the economy as their main issue and 34% citing illegal immigration, a issue largely connected to the economy through the current welfare state. Republicans are taking notice of our financial troubles, that is good for the Paul movement. We will only fall financially in the future, unless, of course, Paul wins, and that means it will only play larger on Republican minds. If we can get good candidates, can anyone say Paul in 2012? then support for our party's libertarian streak will only grow.
Now to the second question: can we settle our support into the mainstream? Yes, we can, and Nevada proves it. I am fed up with these Hannity attacking, recount demanding Paulites. I distrust fox news and electronic voting machines, but throwing snowballs at biased reporters doesn't help us at all. Thank god for Nevada voters, proving to regular voters in the other 49 states that Ron Paul is a good candidate. The key is the economy, yes attracting the insane, 1968 style pacifists does give Paul a vote boost, but sends normal voters fleeing into the arms of other candidates. If Paul and Paulite candidates stick to the economy as the center of the campaign then we can take over the party, and eventually get a president in that will actually help. Lastly, Rupert Murdoch is old and will eventually die, meaning the media will open a bit.
In the end we need time and candidates. How much time remains to be seen. Enough time that the economy gets so bad that Republicans look at their wallets and not their bible on the way to the polls. We need to find candidates that match Paul's view, this may be hard, but I think politicians have seen the campaign's 'internet and economy' success and we will see better candidates in the future. I am already looking forward to 2012.
P.S.
I realize my last article was put up on the Alex Jones Info Wars website and I'll take this opportunity to state I think 9/11 truthers are insane and couldn't be farther from the truth. In my personal opinion I would have no objection to vigilante justice in response to their sign waving events.
On that note I realize my last article's historical topic could be misinterpreted by readers not exactly history savy, and would like to distance myself with any nazi affiliations. Yes I do give Germany and her allies the moral right in regards to the First World War, and I do feel interventionism in World War One helped lead to World War Two, but I under no circumstances have any Nazi sympathies and I feel that Germany's actions in the second war were disgusting and immoral.
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"I realize my last article was put up on the Alex Jones Info Wars website and I'll take this opportunity to state I think 9/11 truthers are insane and couldn't be farther from the truth. In my personal opinion I would have no objection to vigilante justice in response to their sign waving events."
I have been reading articles on your website for months. However, you have just guaranteed that I will never visit it again with your asinine statement calling for violence. Pull your head out of your ass.
Libertarianism means supporting both economic and social freedom from governemtn control. A Paulite movement concentrating solely on the economic message is simply Republican party conservatism. This is certainly already embedded in the Republican Party. But it is nothing new and will not infuence the policies of the party except to the extent that it does in Bush Republicanism.
"I realize my last article was put up on the Alex Jones Info Wars website and I'll take this opportunity to state I think 9/11 truthers are insane and couldn't be farther from the truth. In my personal opinion I would have no objection to vigilante justice in response to their sign waving events."
So... let me make sure I am understanding you correctly.
The government can't take away our first amendment right, but citizens can!?!?!?!?!? You need to rethink yourself on that. I don't agree with the 9/11 truthers, but I agree (and am tolerant) of their right to believe AND say those things as long as they don't take other people's rights. If you HONESTLY believe what you wrote, maybe you need to retake the Nolan Chart test again, that idea most certainly is not libertarian!
NYT leaves Paul out of their coverage, MSNBC makes a graphic leaving him out even though he bested MCcain in Nevada, some loser on FOX calls him Al Quaeda, the campaign to make him appear not worth voting for maybe the most egregious violation of free speech and the voting system since the FLA debacle. Maybe they should call their news propaganda PRAVDA instead of the free press or whatever. Don't people like to decide the actual vote rather then allow some do gooder at FOX or NYT decide for them?
Maybe the media should stop trying to decide the election for us and in a purely obeservant way report the actual outcomes instead of the preferred outcomes. They make a mockery of a free society, at this point people should vote for Paul merely on the basis of his being discriminated against by the establishment press. The simple fact of the media being in collusion with candidates of preference merely reveals the outlandish and ridiculous sentiments regarding the vote and should propel people to actually cast a vote for the one that has been disregarded on the basis of heiarchical worship. They look to the NYT for the "right" perception of the events and yet these people clearly project an agenda which discriminates against the person that most conflicts with their preferences, that maybe nothing more than a racket and not a matter that should be given to the NYT whom have shown irresponsible behavior with regard to intellectualism.
"In my personal opinion I would have no objection to vigilante justice in response to their sign waving events."
How can you call yourself a libertarian and then try to incite violence against someone expressing their beliefs? If you think you've upset libertarians with your previous article, that comment is sure to scare them even further.
If you want to get into a bar fight with a bunch of people who think that Bush and the CIA are insiders into an Alien planet's conspiracy go ahead, you will probobly win. Be careful though,I hear that they go for genitalia and other weak spots.
Ron Paul should run as a third party candidate when he fails to win the nomination. That way he could pull a Ross Perot and give the Democrats the election. Thank you Ross Perot, you have shown that people with no real support can completely mess up an election.
"In my personal opinion I would have no objection to vigilante justice in response to their sign waving events."
I recognize that you are just POed and am willing to let that slide. However, a fifth coloumn movement within the Republican party probably can't work. The party is loaded with folks who have become accustomed to their servitude and are afraid of freedom. The third party approach will let us vote our conscience and more than likely get Clinton elected. And that will only hasten our collapse, which is probably a good thing. Then those who have ears but cannot hear and have eyes but cannot see may wake up.
Oh, and another thing. Before you start calling "truthers" crazy...I suggest you do some research. Explain (in scientifically solid terms with proof) to me how building seven came down and I will consider not believing the Bush cartel was behind 911. It was a controlled demolition which would have taken months to plan and set up. Blind faith in elected officials is how Hitler was able to accomplish so much...wake up people, the time is here. Google "Historic interview with Aaron Russo" if you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Stop the "Truther" nonsense. Paul's message resonates with rational thinkers. The truther stories are irrational, and will cause damage to Ron Paul if he is linked with those theories. The truther "beliefs" are just that, and are not based on consistant, scientific evidence. The engineering report from Popular Mechanics states that Building 7 collasped due to a combination of facade damage, an unusual structural design, and a 5th floor fire.
Claim: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."
FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.
According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.
Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."
WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse
MH. I appreciate your response to my post. However, the popular science report has many holes in it. Do a search for "911 popluar science" and you can read for yourself why your regurgitated "explanation" does not hold water. Larry Silverstein (owner of the WTC complex) stated in an interview that the building was "pulled" a termed used by demolition teams for years. Now, why would he use that term and also...if it fell due to fire, debris and unusual architechture why did he KNOW that the building was coming down? Please watch this and get back to me.
I think you just lost a lot of readers. Please do some serious research before you suggest that violence should be used against patriots who are demanding the truth about a world-changing event which has been used to justify illegal, immoral wars and the total decimation of our Constitution and theft of our civil liberties. Our "government" never properly investigated the 9/11 tragedy, they just told us what they wanted us to believe and moved on with their pre-planned agenda to invade the middle east and destroy our Constitution. Hundreds of credible, credentialed individuals have publicly questioned the official 9/11 story. A collection of their statements can be found at:
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Until we have a real, independent investigation, only the perpetrators will know what actually happened that fateful day.
You will find out that there are a bunch of loony toon conspiracy theorist who love Ron Paul for his creationist stance, anti Mexican stance, and his whole print money inflation Federal Reserve IRS and the Space aliens moogaly boogaly.
Here is a "so called" libertarian that was too scared to talk to Neal Boortz, how the hell is he going to respond to Mahmood Ahmadinijiahd when he starts to invade Iraq upon our pullout? He won't be in office, thank the Flyin Spaghetti Monster.
There are a lot of Ron Paul is God fans on this site. You might get a phone call, because when ever someone says that they are a libertarian, but can't stand to know that you are righting on this website. Ignore it, these people wouldn't know politics if it hit them in the face. This is why Ron's campaign is doomed.
You will find out that there are a bunch of loony toon conspiracy theorist who love Ron Paul for his creationist stance, anti Mexican stance, and his whole print money inflation Federal Reserve IRS and the Space aliens moogaly boogaly.
Here is a "so called" libertarian that was too scared to talk to Neal Boortz, how the hell is he going to respond to Mahmood Ahmadinijiahd when he starts to invade Iraq upon our pullout? He won't be in office, thank the Flyin Spaghetti Monster.
There are a lot of Ron Paul is God fans on this site. You might get a phone call, because when ever someone says that they are a libertarian, but can't stand to know that you are righting on this website. Ignore it, these people wouldn't know politics if it hit them in the face. This is why Ron's campaign is doomed.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
And be careful those 9/11 kooks might have guns."
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I love it when people use the term "conspiracy theorist" and think they know what it means. It's only a theory when you have no evidence. If you would pull your head out every now and again and view the video & hear the eye witness testimony. you would not look so foolish.
You speak of "anti Mexican" "Space aliens" "Flyin Spaghetti" something about, "moogaly boogaly" what sounds kooky here? hmmmm?
Great Americans are those who do.
9/11 Truthers, Ron Paul supporters, & Ron Paul are great Americans. They are doing what they think is right. Do you do anything besides drink Kool-Aid.
You my friend are the one who sounds like a nut. The 9/11 truth movement was started by the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 and those who supported them. They had to fight for 2.5 years to get the faux commission report. Do some research and stop thinking that they are two different groups. The truthers supported the families and kept the pressure on so those morons in the white house would at least make it look like they gave a rats ass about the murder victims.
And you know what those so called kooks might just have a few grenades too. Most are ex military by the way, sick of the corruption.
9/11: PressforTruth
a video from the families who fought to create The 9/11 Comission -- and succeeded
As a card-carrying (although those have now been discontinued) Libertarian of 25 years, I've unequivically supported both Ron Paul presidential bids. Let me share with you the reason why the Libertarian party is stuck in a single-digit popularity rut:
1. Many Libertarians (or cointelpro plants) are loud, aggressive, irritating, puffed-up atheists. This alienates 60% of the US population.
2. Many Libertarians are narrow-minded, childish, simpering perfectionists (having obviously never looked into a mirror), who will withdraw support anyone who is not 100% PERFECT! This alienates another large segment of the population.
Also, shame on you, Mr. Anderson, for claiming Libertarian values, but supporting a war based on lies, lies & more lies. There never was, and is not now, any reason to be in Iraq, and our government knew that from day one.
And finally, I can't believe that anyone with a capital L for a party would actually condone violence against political speech!
I don't think you deserve the capital L. It's like hearing Bill O'Reilly describe himself as having Libertarian values...sickening.
OK, 9/11 wasn't an inside job. The Bush cartel and other wannabe dictator types used it like the Reichstag fire. It doesn't matter (in some respect) who perpetrated the attack, the outcome is what it is either way. That much, is undeniable. To sit and hand over your freedom in the face of fear is pathetic, and specifically the issue the country is facing. To call for further removal of freedom in the name of silencing a viable albeit a non-mainstream viewpoint, especially given factual history, is awfully close to, if not outright treason.
Posted By: No Name Supplied
Date: 2008-01-22 15:10:46
I realize my last article was put up on the Alex Jones Info Wars website and I'll take this opportunity to state I think 9/11 truthers are insane and couldn't be farther from the truth. In my personal opinion I would have no objection to vigilante justice in response to their sign waving events.
I'm guessing the reason you haven't supplied your own brand of "vigilante justice" to these despicable seekers of truth is that, quite simply, you're a giant fucking pussy. Put your money where your mouth is. Nothing is worse than a coward who strokes his ego with hollow threats. I don't wave signs or attend events, but I sure as fuck don't believe a word of the 9/11 Official Fairy Tale, and I'd love to see you or anyone else from your band of pigeon-hearted homos try to start a fight that is doomed to end in epic failure. Bring it bitch!
PS I really admire your intolerance, how very libertarian of you.
Heads up: once our primaries are over in TX, expect a lot of feces to hit the rotating blades over this. I'm already talking to the lawyers. And I don't even know Alex Jones.
Unlike Alex, who admittedly veers into some serious histrionics, I'm all business. And I'm about to come down on you and Mr. Thiessen like a ton of bricks. We've got the money, the law, and the will.
I'd surprise you, but it suits us to drop a little line on you first. Go ahead, laugh it off. Talk to you soon.
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