Topic: 9/11 Remembered
Truthers, Truth and The Man There is a conspiracy to silence conspiracy critics.by Billy Joe
(Libertarian)
Tuesday, January 8, 2008
As a former nuclear submariner, I know a little something about secrets. The "silent service" is the foundation of our country's nuclear deterrence, yet almost all of the classified material I was required to learn is now public knowlegde. Truth gets out. Jeff Goldblum said in the movie JURRASIC PARK "Life finds a way." I don't know about that as I am not a biologist, but information certainly "finds a way." This is why I doubt conspiracy theories from the JFK assasination, Moon landing, Elvis's death and 911.
There is a principle in science called "Occam's Razor" (check it out on Wikipedia) that basically says the simplest answer is most likely to be correct. It is entirely reasonable to assume that Osama Bin Ladin, as a religious Sunni Arab, objected to US military bases in his homeland of Saudi Arabia near the holy cities of Mecca and Medina. It is also entirely reasonable to think that his followers are unhappy that the U.S. Government funds and props up an oppressive monarchy: the House of Saud. Although terrorism against cilvillians is never morally justifiable, it is perfectly understandable in this situation. If the conditions were reversed and the U.S. was occupied by a foreign power that propped up an undemocratic, unrepresentative government, I would join other American patriots in a guerilla war against the occupiers. I suspect you would too.
There is circular reasoning involved in many conspiracy theories. Lack of evidence is considered evidence of a cover-up. Nobody had a stronger motive to commit the 9/11 crimes than Al Quaida. Of course the big government people want to use any excuse to grow government, but most of them are just stupid, not evil. As a veteran and former National Park employee, I consider good-intentioned stupidity to be the dominant characteristic of federal agencies and employees. To suggest 911 was an inside job is to suggest that somebody somewhere was competent enough to pull off one of the greatest covert actions of all time, but was not competent enough to consider the enorous blowback risks if discovered, is not logical. Even If somebody paid Osama to do the deed he was predisposed to do anyway, there would always be a tremendous risk that he would blow the whistle when it got too hot for him, or that the money trail would be discovered, or that he would take the money and spend it some other way.
It is possible that Osama was an unknowing and unwilling dupe of the illuminati/trilateral/CFR/builderburger/rothchild/rockefeller/x-files smoking man black hellicopter cabal, but Occam's Razor suggest that it is less probable than the obvious possibility that he is just pissed off that the U.S. spreads its "goodness" by force. He is a killer and I hope he dies or is brought to justice, but it is the tactics of Osama Bin Ladin and not his motives that make him evil. As for the Freemason/zionist/smoke-filled-room/international banker/star chamber folks, they wouldn't have to cause terrorism to exploit it, and if they are as powerful as suggested, then they would be smart enough to understand that sooner or later someone like a Timothy McVeigh or Unibomber or Guy Falks would do their work for them without pay, prompting or direction.
Governments have always exploited terrorism to expand-from the Romans to the Republicans. Yes, they benefit from terrorism, but that doesn't mean they cause it other than providing the motives for the terrorists to act. Its far easier and just as effective to spin rather than to conspire. The vast majority of evil in the world is evil of omission, not comission. Apathy and it's offspring Ignorance is the biggest enemy of freedom in the world.
Conspracies whether true or not provide an excuse for losers to be losers. "The Man" is keeping them down. An example are the race-baiters like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton. They think the plight of blacks is caused by racism and not the much more logical explanation of rampant illigitmacy and family breakdown. This is why the public so disdains the theorists. If one truly believes in free will, then one also believes that success comes in spite of conditions, not because of them. Dr. Paul believes in free will. That is why he will untilmately triumph in his quest for freedom, regardless of the outcome of this election.
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Posted By: Jahfre Fire Eater
Date: 2008-01-08 13:00:48
Ha, ha, Billy Joe, nice try but...logic doesn't work against faith. It doesn't even register. I don't care if you are talking religious faith or conspiracy faith or liberal faith; faith is an impervious shield against reasoning, by definition.
People develop beliefs based on a ratio between faith and reason. They both exist to some degree underlying every belief but there isn't any overlap. For instance, two people may both have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow. One has faith because he understands Newton's laws. The other may have the same faith but only because he was raised in a culture of beliefs that was consistent with the observable facts. The sun rises. Â
If these two folks tried to explain their faith to each other they wouldn't be able to communicate. The frame of reference is totally different. In one frame, everything is observed to support the faith so the existence of reason is the incongruency that is repelled. In the other frame, reason eliminates the concept of faith entirely, it ceases to exist. The two frames are absolutely incompatible.
This is why people who have faith in welfare as a force for good believe those who oppose welfare as hard-hearted and not compassionate. The other side of this is that those who believe welfare is noxious to human advancement are quick to assume welfare supporters are ignorant or self-destructive. The truth is that they exist in incompatible frames of reference.
For me, reason eliminates the notion of conspiracy from my list of plausible answers to any conundrum. Occam's Razor is usually a good place to start. When I see a complicated machine or an extremely intricate piece of art or a supernova in a far off galaxy I do not assume that since I cannot fathom how they came to be that there must have been a super-me who made them. Whether that is a conspiracy of evil men or a unitary god doesn't really matter, both are rationalizations for things that I'm happy to appreciate without feeling a need to label or explain.
Conspiracy is not a bad thing, my wife and I conspire to retire early and watch the collapse of society from a safe, defensible place. I hope I live long enough to see it. Not that I want it to happen but I think it is going to. We all get what is coming whether we deserve it or not.
All conspiracy theories are to me are the actions of globalists when seen from a frame of reference that is totally foreign to me. I don't share their faith. I see the same things happening, I just don't attribute them to a vast organization or super-being who is directing the cycles of civilization. The world in this instant is a result of all the actions of men and gods that have occured before. Good things happen, bad things happen. Good intentions cause horrible consequences. Bad intentions cause unintentional enlightenment. Just becasue we can't fathom the complexity of the results of human action doesn't mean it had to be a group of people with devious intentions directing the bad parts of it.
Do you know how to determine the IQ of a group of humans? You take the average IQ of the members then divide by the number of members. Conspiracy is the least likely answer 99.9999999999% of the time.
Yep, a statistic I made up on the spot but it is pretty impressive, huh? It is part of my faith. ;-)
I do not know who caused three towers to collapse on Sept 11. All I do know is that it wasn't Osama and company acting all on their own.
As an engineer I know that the perfect symmetric collapse of three steel buildings due to fire and structural failure at free fall speed, all on the same day is about as likely as a chimpanze being able to type out Gettysburg address on the first attempt.
What amazes me is that so many people park their God given right to Reason at the door, and believe the load of crap that they are spoon fed by the mass media. What makes it even worse is they then have the gall to smear anyone who actually uses his gray matter to ask intelligent questions. Go figure!
Why are you so afraid of questions? Don't you want to hear the answers?
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