Szell: Is it safe?
Babe: You're talking to me?
Szell: Is it safe?
Babe: Is what safe?
Szell: Is it safe?
Babe: I don't know what you mean. I can't tell you something's safe or not, unless I know specifically what you're talking about.
Szell: Is it safe?
Babe: Tell me what the "it" refers to.
Szell: Is it safe?
Babe: Yes, it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it.
Szell: Is it safe?
Babe: No. It's not safe, it's... very dangerous, be careful.
This scene in Marathon Man where Laurence Olivier's character, the Nazi dentist Szell, drills a hole through the tooth of Dustin Hoffman's character Babe is one of the most excruciating scenes in movie history. It feels like this scene has been playing over and over again, day after day in our financial markets for the last few weeks. It has been excruciating watching your retirement portfolio disappear day by day. The S&P 500 has declined by 26% in the last three weeks and 43% in the last year. Everyone has been waiting for the bounce that always comes. The brilliant financial gurus on Wall Street have convinced us that we are supposed to buy the dips. The market always goes up in the long run. These experts have been lying to you. Are you surprised?
There have been many long periods when stocks did not go up. The most depressing period was the 25 year period from 1929 through 1954, when you would have had a 0% return. From the mid 1960's until 1980 the market did not go up. If inflation was taken into account, the market didn't really recover until 1990, 24 years after the 1966 high. The 2000 high was reached for a brief time in late 2007, but has fallen 43% since then. We have entered a period of time when the economy will go into a deep recession for at least two years. It is likely that our economy will not be strong for 5 to 10 years based on a continuing decline in the housing market and crumbling banking system that will not lend. The PE ratio of the market is still high and corporate earnings will collapse in 2009. Based on this bleak environment, I anticipate that the market will decline by an additional 20% before reaching its ultimate low. The S&P 500 Index will not reach its 2007 high until, at the earliest, 2015. That would be a 15 year period with no return. Evidently, stocks don't always go up in the long run.
| Years to Return | |||||
| Index | High Date | High Level | Low Level | % Decline | to Previous High |
| Dow Jones Index | 9/3/29 | 381 | 41 | -89% | 25 years |
| Dow Jones Index | Jan-66 | 1000 | 584 | -42% | 14 years |
| S&P 500 Index | 3/22/00 | 1,501 | 777 | -48% | 7 years |
| S&P 500 Index | 10/9/07 | 1,565 | 899 | -43% | ???? |
Source: Yahoo Finance
I have been trying to gauge how bad the situation could become. I'm often times classified as a pessimist, but this crisis keeps surpassing my worst case scenarios. I keep looking for some positive developments, but the situation appears to be getting worse. When I'm confused, I turn to the wisdom of people who have proven trustworthy in the past. These are their recent views on the market.
"Today, the financial crisis has reached a critical point. The sharp decline in the stock market and its volatility dramatically make the point. More important if less visible, the flow of credit through the banking system and the financial markets is seriously impaired -- even in part frozen. For months, the real economy, apart from housing, had not been much affected by the developing crisis. Now, a full-scale recession appears unavoidable. Important state and local governments face deficits they may be unable to finance. Recessionary forces are apparent in other important countries and exchange rates are unstable."
Paul Volcker
"At this point the risk of an imminent stock market crash ? like the one-day collapse of 20% plus in US stock prices in 1987 ? cannot be ruled out as the financial system is breaking down, panic and lack of confidence in any counterparty is sharply rising and the investors have totally lost faith in the ability of policy authorities to control this meltdown. When in markets that are clearly way oversold even the most radical policy actions don't provide rallies or relief to market participants you know that you are one step away from a market crack and a systemic financial sector and corporate sector collapse. A vicious circle of deleveraging, asset collapses, margin calls, cascading falls in asset prices well below falling fundamentals and panic is now underway."
Nouriel Roubini
"Thus to begin, we say here this morning, mincing no words whatsoever, we are more frightened now for the future of the global capital markets than we have been at any time in our thirty+ years of watching, commenting upon and taking part in them. We are fearful... and we mean this fully... that we have passed the tipping point; that things are now spinning out of control; that forces have been unleashed that cannot be stopped without some truly massive, truly strong-handed, governmental action including the closure of markets and limits upon bank withdrawals, et al. These are troubling times, and our fear is palpable and growing. Worse, these concerns are giving rise to the likelihood that the Left shall be in ascension, and that manifestly left-of-centre, interventionist government lies ahead here in the US and in Europe. Higher, rather than lower taxes will be the end result. Greater... indeed very much greater... intervention in the capital markets lies ahead."
Dennis Gartman
"I want to emphasize how little I understand all of the intricate workings of the global financial system. I hope that someone else gets it, because I don't. And I have no idea, really, how this will work out. I certainly wish it hadn't happened. It is just so intricate that all I can conclude, by instinct and by reading the history books, is that it will be longer, harder and more complicated than we expect."
Jeremy Grantham
"The problem with the deal is that it actually crystallizes losses. The banks are going to have to deal with the issue that they have sold at a massive discount. On top of that, they have to face up to the fact that they cannot raise new money. This is the biggest issue right now, that banks can't raise new cash. By Christmas, the banks will have come back, they will be asking for help with solvency. Paulson [US Treasury secretary] and Bernanke [chairman of the Federal Reserve] are deluding themselves."
Chris Whalen
Based on the views of these wise men, I would ignore the usual spin that you will hear from investment gurus on CNBC about this being a great "buying opportunity". The market is likely to have a strong bounce back rally in the near future. Any rallies should be seen as an opportunity to sell. The stock market will be dead money for years. The mainstream media is not reporting what is really happening behind the scenes. Starting in July of this year, before the current crisis, a shortage in gold and silver coins began to develop. The U.S. Mint issued the following statement this week:
"Due to the extreme fluctuating market conditions for 2008, as well as current market conditions, gold and silver demand is unprecedented and the demand for platinum is unusually high. The U.S. Mint has worked diligently to attempt to meet demand, however, blank supplies are very limited and it is necessary for the U.S. Mint to focus remaining bullion production primarily on American Eagle Gold One Ounce and Silver One Ounce Coins."
Kitco, a major precious metals retailer, has no American Eagle coins to sell. The one ounce Gold Maple Leaf coin that is available is selling for $910 an ounce, $60 above the current spot price. The conclusion that I reach is the "Smart Money" saw this financial market collapse coming and have been moving into precious metals for months. The average American, who has been misled by Wall Street and government leaders regarding the depth of this crisis, have not been the buyers of these coins. As this crisis worsens and trust in our economic system declines further, an avalanche of demand for precious metals will likely develop. There has also been recent news reports regarding shortages in home safes and strong demand for guns.
What Happens Next
Illogical Conclusion
Mother should I run for president
Mother should I trust the government
Mother will they put me in the firing line
Ooooh aah, is it just a waste of time
Hush now baby, baby don't you cry
Mama's gonna make all of your
Nightmares come true
Mama's gonna put all of her fears into you
Mama's gonna keep you right here
Under her wing
Pink Floyd lyrics to "Mother"
Why anyone would want to be President of the United States at this point in history is beyond me. The government is no longer trusted. Our worst nightmares are coming true. Our country is undergoing a paradigm shift. No one is sure what type of country we will be when this crisis subsides. It appears that we are headed towards a socialist state with less personal liberty and control of our lives. Government will attempt to take Americans further under her ever expanding wing. Founding Father, John Adams was not optimistic when he wrote these words in 1814:
"Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
Are we in the midst of committing suicide as a nation? If we allow our government leaders to take more of our freedoms away and commit trillions of our grandchildren's money to propping up insolvent companies, this could mark the beginning of the end for our great country. Representative Ron Paul cuts to the heart of the matter in a speech before Congress:
"I believe that our economy faces a bleak future. We risk committing the same errors that prolonged the misery of the Great Depression, namely keeping prices from falling. Instead of allowing overvalued financial assets to take a hit and trade on the market at a more realistic value, the government seeks to purchase overvalued or worthless assets and hold them in the unrealistic hope that at some point in the next few decades, someone might be willing to purchase them. As with many other government proposals, the opportunity cost of this bailout goes unmentioned. $700 billion tied up in illiquid assets is $700 billion that is not put to productive use. That amount of money in the private sector could be used to research new technologies, start small businesses that create thousands of jobs, or upgrade vital infrastructure. Instead, that money will be siphoned off into unproductive assets which may burden the government for years to come. The great French economist Frederic Bastiat is famous for explaining the difference between what is seen and what is unseen. In this case the bailout's proponents see the alleged benefits, while they fail to see the jobs, businesses, and technologies not created due to this utter waste of money. The housing bubble has burst, unemployment is on the rise, and the dollar weakens every day. Unfortunately our leaders have failed to learn from the mistakes of previous generations and continue to lead us down the road toward economic ruin."
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Reader Comments:
Posted By: Larry
Date: 2008-10-13 12:31:18
Hi Jim, what you are describing is the continuation of the boom/bust cycle to its logical conclusion. With each cycle, the central banks are forced to inflate at a greater pace until no amount of added 'liquidity' is sufficient to avoid the inevitable collapse. Currently the FED is pumping billions of dollars both through government and through its banking structure directly, into the system. As I write (10/13/08, 3:30PM) the DJIA is up almost 706 points after losing 1/3 of its value in the past several months. In order to sustain this valuation, the FED will need to keep inflating at an ever-increasing rate, which at some point will no longer have any effect as the currency inflates to nothingness. Just like giving CPR to a long-dead corpse. The smart money has been moving into money metals for months because they understand that gold and silver cannot be inflated by fiat and therefore will hold their relative valuations. These are the same people who are running our fiat empire.
Posted By: Diamond Dave
Date: 2008-10-13 13:08:11
Ron Paul is my hero
I have to disclose I'm being sarcastic since Ron Paul's messianic supporters would believe it.
Posted By: Jake, the champion of the constitution
Date: 2008-10-14 05:59:57
Diamond Dave -
You are my "hero" if you believe based on what you yourself think, not simply the thoughts of others. If you ever want to share why, let us all know.
Most people do believe that the stock market is down 40% from its high in November of last year on a dollar basis. This is what most people would call a "fact."
Jim - Thanks for the read!
Posted By: David F. Nolan
Date: 2008-10-14 16:43:54
A lot of sobering information, presented very clearly. Thanks!