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Posted By: Loddi Doddi
Date: 2008-03-13 23:07:25
"Shaping candidates, shaping a local party and continuing in the face of people offering an easier, more fun alternative such as a third party takes principle."
How is it that you come to think that a 3rd party is just some easier and fun alternative to the GOP? Perhaps you think we should only have 2 parties, but we don't even really have 2. How about an alternative? And why not 3 parties?
Repubs want economic freedom, but social statism.
Dems want economic statism, but social freedom
Libertarians want economic AND social freedom.
Not everyone is the right mold for the GOP. If you are happy in the GOP, well good for you. Freedom and the Constitution wins with me every time.
Posted By: Alexander Jefferson
Date: 2008-03-13 23:51:17
@Loddi
I can only speak for myself as a repub and why I have chosen to remain a Republican instead of moving to a third party.
Ron Paul was able to get out the liberty mesage as well as he did because he was running as a Republican. I agree with you that at the top, where it matters, there is no real difference between the parties. But the fact remains that a Republican has done more in a year for the movement then the Libertarian Party was able to do in 35.
In the genral election, if I do not feel reasonably sure the Republican candidate is a liberty minded person and there is a LP or CP candidate on the ticket, I will cast my ballot for that person. But for now I have pledged to work hard to find liberty minded repubs and get them elected.
Jahfre, nice article. I feel fortunate to be in a better place then you are, my county officials work well together and are very weloming of us RP newcomers.
Posted By: No Name Supplied
Date: 2008-03-14 01:02:57
Jahfre, We had difficulties in our counties, too, and are also sticking it out. We will use your suggestion of persistent questioning as a way of gaining support for our issues/principles and accountability from public servants. Sig
Posted By: Loddi Doddi
Date: 2008-03-14 01:06:50
"Ron Paul was able to get out the liberty mesage as well as he did because he was running as a Republican."
Alexander Jefferson,
I agree with you that Ron Paul was able to do more within the GOP getting out the message (due in a large part to TV exposure during the GOP primaries debates this year) than he would have in the LP over the last 30 years. However, he was with the GOP for a span of well over 20 years, so it wasn't exactly overnight. Remember also that the "revolution" found him, not the other way around.
Why did the revolution choose him? It was his stances on the issues along with a history of voting with his stances. The libertarian philosophy has an uphill battle, no doubt.
However, the libertarian philosophy will be drowned out and diluted by simply colluding with a party and those who do not share this same philosophy.
By spreading the libertarian philosphy to only those within the GOP, the rest of the population is left out, which is the majority of people these days (Dems). And I actually think that the Dem voters are a much better target for spreading the libertarian message.
Besides, I'm tired of the ole one-two punch of getting hit by corporatism (fascism) from the right and socialism (communism) from the left. They are slowly taking us away from liberty and freedom using this scheme and moving the US more towards tyranny every day. It's time for people to take a real stand against this move towards tyranny.
I think Ron Paul running in the GOP primaries was a good move initially, but only so far as the spotlight he received (even what little it was in the grand scheme of things). I think he should use the attention garnered to promote the Libertarian Party and with that, the libertarian philosophy.
At some point, libertarians need to run as Libertarians. At some point, libertarians need to vote for Libertarians.
Dem, Repub... Back and forth we go.
It's time for a change. It's time to get back to our country's foundation and the principles that this country was built upon.
I commend the effort of trying to affect change within the GOP, but I'd rather see the libertarian philosophy flourish than for it to be repeatedly spat on by the GOP, and there are others out there besides the 1/3 of the population that currently voted GOP in the primaries, and the others probably weren't watching the GOP primaries and probably didn't notice Dr. Paul much, and if they did, they probably thought it not a good idea to go Republican due to the terrible, terrible reputation the GOP currently has.
Posted By: Loddi Doddi
Date: 2008-03-14 01:42:01
"and there are others out there besides the 1/3 of the population that currently voted GOP in the primaries"
Self-correction:
Actually it was a mere 1/3 of *voters* that voted GOP in the primaries. There are still many, many apethetic people out there who didn't even vote.
The message of liberty certainly has avenues to grow besides the GOP, and I personally wouldn't rate the GOP as the best avenue for spreading liberty.
Posted By: Valeria
Date: 2008-03-14 20:46:01
I never knew just how much my liberty and freedom meant until I went to political chat. I still do that regularly. Except now I really know what I am talking about and what it all means. I have secured many Ron Paul supporters just doing that and all of us together really got involved in pulling for Ron Paul. We joined the meetups, we went to conventions, and we are still talking to people about Ron Paul. Except now it is different. We used to go out and spread the message. Now I have people coming to me, on a daily basis. They don't like what they have to choose from this election. They don't trust McCain, Hillary, or Obama. These people have already dug a hole for themselves. When I tell people we still have an option for a GOOD man, one with honesty, integrity and the intellectual know how to run this country based on his experience and work and just how ethical he is, they are receiving this information with readiness. We all want someone to LEAD. A leader is someone with a vision. Ron Paul has that vision. We may not get Ron Paul as our leader, sorry as that would be, and I say that because being in chat I have talked to many people from all over the world who love Ron Paul as we do. I have never ever felt this way about a man who would be our president in my life. In a time when the American people have lost trust in their govt., Ron Paul measures up in every way. He has already earned it. I will be so sad the day he does not get to win the nomination, and again will not have the trust in govt to lead as I once did, and due largely to the media for not helping this wonderful man, but Ron Pauls message will live forever in my heart, and never again will I ever take my liberty for granted.
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Date: 2008-03-15 05:03:53
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Date: 2008-03-15 19:45:55
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